somewhatwayward wrote:Because the NYC market is so big, if you want a six figure job out of school, you have to face the possibility that it will be there, even if you go to H (SY might be insulated more from this by their small class sizes). Big law in a secondary market might be a marginally better outcome financially, but I don't think it makes sense to choose H bc of its pull for the 50 associate positions in Portland, OR or Phoenix, AZ or Minneapolis, MN, many of which will be reserved for the top local students. While you do stay longer at the firm in secondary markets, I also think it is easier to move NYC-->>secondary than vice versa. If your point is that people choose V20 in secondary markets over V5 in NYC, and that is a reasonable choice, I agree. I think choosing V5 in NYC over V20 in secondary is also reasonable, though.
TX is its own little financial paradise, except I don't think I could live anywhere but Austin, and I hate the culture of driving everywhere, obesity, Republicanism, and way too much air conditioning.
That's my main point. People assume for some reason YS is somehow insulated from stuff where H is not. That is largely a tls myth. You can get Texas from H with absolutely no ties. I know people who got Seattle without grades (admittedly, with ties) and if you have ties to NorCal, grades don't even factor that much (if any). There are plenty of firms that hire from the top local schools and then H, period. Many Texas firms focus on UT and H etc. You could argue that is due to self-selection but the main point is that students from H frequently have other options besides NYC and many people actively hate the idea of having to work in New York, which is something the statistics do not show, not to mention the number of people that pursue other opportunities in Academia, business etc.
There are a surprising number of people whose main goal is to return to their hometown and NY is a fallback option. It will be a cause for concern if H, or Y or S was placing an unusually high number of people into NY Biglaw. Yale has abysmal numbers when it comes to the Vault, NLJ, AM stuff, but nobody questions that for good reason. Why do people assume H is substantially different? In fact, H actually comes ahead in surveys involving Law Firm recruiters, "real professionals" etc. See e.g., http://www.businessinsider.com/the-50-b ... 012-9?op=1
The above survey has numerous deficiencies of course but no more so than USNEWS. I guess the big take-away is that some people at hys have different concerns than gunning for NY Biglaw. Gunning for the 50 associate positions in Portland is a good enough reason to choose H actually because there's always NY if you fail to achieve that. It's better to choose H, gun for Portland and fall short by having to settle for NY than to choose somewhere, gun for NY and end up with nothing if you fall short.
In order to see why some otherwise qualified people strike out, you'd have to meet some of these people, man. Some people are just uhm super weird, even by Law School standards.