Phoenix School of Law

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kg31613
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Phoenix School of Law

Postby kg31613 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:35 pm

Alright, so reading lots of posts on here, I realize this website hates this school. I need to know why it is such a terrible idea. I graduated from ASU about 4 years ago, and have always wanted to go to law school. I didn't go when I originally graduated because of health complications. Now, I want to go back. Unfortunately I had a 2.51 undergrad GPA because I started college when I was 16, and had new found freedom, and screwed around for 2 years before realizing I was ruining my future. I took the LSAT and scored a 164. I know that is my strong suit. I have a bad feeling there is no way I would get into ASU, since I already did terribly there. I have to stay in the valley because this is where my husband works. Why is Phoenix School of Law such a terrible idea? It is my only option. Is it a bad idea to start there then transfer to ASU, is that even a possibility?

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Re: Phoenix School of Law

Postby nickb285 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:38 pm

The reason this website hates the school is because you're going to pay nearly a quarter of a million dollars (aka enough money to buy a pretty nice house) on a JD that has about a one in three chance of getting you a job as a lawyer:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=phoenix

Transferring is a very long shot--you would have to be in the top 5-10% of your class (keep in mind law school grades are curved and often the distinction between top 5% and top 25% is small enough to be almost arbitrary) and you might not even get in then.

Retake the LSAT--if you can score a 164 on your first try, you can score a 170 or close with intense studying (see the LSAT prep and discussion forum for tips)--write an addendum regarding your GPA, and go to ASU. Do not waste time and money on a school like Phoenix.

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Re: Phoenix School of Law

Postby prezidentv8 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:40 pm

nickb285 wrote:a one in three chance of getting you a job as a lawyer


Seems a bit generous, but I was too lazy to go look at LST, so you may be right.

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Re: Phoenix School of Law

Postby rinkrat19 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:44 pm

Out of a graduating class of 131 people, only 49 people got full-time, long-term, bar-passage-required jobs (i.e. actual lawyering jobs). Of those 49, 41 got jobs at firms of 2-10 people and 5 went solo. Many of those small firm jobs are what we call "shitlaw," which is miserable AND has the added bonus of making crap money that will never pay off any loans they probably took out. A lot of them are likely a few students, unable to find anything better than working at Starbucks and desperate for work, banding together to open their own small firm office with no experience (law school, alas, does not actually teach you how to be a lawyer), limited capital and no clients: a recipe for failure. (The school doesn't even have the balls to report their salary data...which means it ain't good.)

It is a shitty, shitty law school and should be burned to the ground for the good of humanity. You'd be FAR better off going to nursing school or truck driving school or something that actually might provide opportunity.

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Re: Phoenix School of Law

Postby gaud » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:51 pm

PSOL is wayyyy expensive. If you're set on going, make sure you get a SUBSTANTIAL scholarship w/o crap stipulations.

I know of one transfer student at ASU who went there and they were top 1% after the first year. I don't know how much lower ASU would scoop... so transferring might be difficult.

I wouldn't go to law school if it were my only option. That's just me though.

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Re: Phoenix School of Law

Postby Nova » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:56 pm

If you dont get into UA-R/ASU and are Arizona or bust.... You should probably sit out and try again next year.

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Re: Phoenix School of Law

Postby shifty_eyed » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:19 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:Out of a graduating class of 131 people, only 49 people got full-time, long-term, bar-passage-required jobs (i.e. actual lawyering jobs). Of those 49, 41 got jobs at firms of 2-10 people and 5 went solo. Many of those small firm jobs are what we call "shitlaw," which is miserable AND has the added bonus of making crap money that will never pay off any loans they probably took out. A lot of them are likely a few students, unable to find anything better than working at Starbucks and desperate for work, banding together to open their own small firm office with no experience (law school, alas, does not actually teach you how to be a lawyer), limited capital and no clients: a recipe for failure. (The school doesn't even have the balls to report their salary data...which means it ain't good.)

It is a shitty, shitty law school and should be burned to the ground for the good of humanity. You'd be FAR better off going to nursing school or truck driving school or something that actually might provide opportunity.

Very well said. If being a lawyer is your true calling, study hard and retake the LSAT. I'm not sure what ASU's median LSAT is, but if you can score above it, you will have a chance at admission.

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Re: Phoenix School of Law

Postby rwhyAn » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:51 pm

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This is the reason why my GPA plummeted at ASU. Kg31613, I think your LSAT is around ASU's 75th percentile, so it still may be worth a shot even with that GPA, especially with applications declining like they are. I'm not going to say that you're in a great position, but you may get a waitlist/admit. Good luck and go Sun Devils!




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