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Doorkeeper wrote:It totally depends on what you want to do.
Biglaw? Take a full ride at CCN in a second.
Public Interest? Take a full ride at CCN.
Politics/Policy Work in DC? HYS.
Academia? HYS.
Also, wait until you hear financial aid from all of your schools before making a decision.
That's actually why OP put the "at sticker" disclaimer in the titlesinfiery wrote:Personally, I'd take HYS over everything because the grant money is sure to be substantial
Indeed, didn't realize this.TrialLawyer16 wrote:That's actually why OP put the "at sticker" disclaimer in the titlesinfiery wrote:Personally, I'd take HYS over everything because the grant money is sure to be substantial
Yeah, I thought about grant aid from HYS, but until I receive a financial aid package, I'll have little better than a semi-educated guess. Yale does a great job on its website of telling you their formula, but crunching any numbers requires predicting what they expect the student and parents to contribute. I decided polling at sticker price was a good call. It's more substantive.sinfiery wrote:Indeed, didn't realize this.TrialLawyer16 wrote:That's actually why OP put the "at sticker" disclaimer in the titlesinfiery wrote:Personally, I'd take HYS over everything because the grant money is sure to be substantial
Doesn't seem to fit OPs situation from the other thread though, as he will surely receive some aid unless his family is balling.
Oh well, voted.
I have good numbers (177/3.9), but I don't have anything Earth-shattering as far as softs go. Most of my undergrad time was spent working in order to afford college, and I certainly didn't come from a prestigious undergrad.Personally, I'd take HYS over everything because the grant money is sure to be substantial although 150k @ Columbia would have me second guessing myself for a second.
Curious what your #s/softs are also!
I agree 100%. And I don't know anyone in that situation who really regrets it. On the other hand, I know many who regret paying sticker at a top 14 even when they DID get a job.SemperLegal wrote:I could never see myself regrettting having no debt and a T14 degree, even if I was jobless. On the other hand, I could see myself being pissed if I had the debt and no job. So I would go for any T14 that I could spend 3 years at and not feel like it has been a total waste of three years if I end up not fully-utilizing my degree. (I.e. are in city that I could be happy in [Personally, NY/SF/ Chicago])
Personal savings also play a role. If you are going to still have to take out loans for living expenses, my answers might change.
T14 @ scholarship = safer bet.SemperLegal wrote:I could never see myself regrettting having no debt and a T14 degree, even if I was jobless. On the other hand, I could see myself being pissed if I had the debt and no job.
I think a good amount of people here don't have that assumption, but the poll has to be ordered in some way. The assumption within the T-14 is generally valid, though, except for in the case of NU, for example. It's just the simplest way to order the poll.IAFG wrote:-_- @ the assumption of linear job prospects as you go "down."
LOLCanadianWolf wrote:Nevertheless, if one does take the full tuition scholarship to a non-top-3, then that person's resume has the option of including a resume line stating : Copy of my Yale acceptance letter is available on request.
Very few applicants to HYS get all three. The adcoms at those schools talk, and rumor has it that, on rare occasion, they even swap students before finally sending out admission letters. With those three schools it's like the NFL draft on draft day. The very top draft picks get into all three, and that's maybe 5-10 students. A larger group gets into two of the three, and an even larger group gets into one of the three. Mind you, there are only a few students they discuss, but it happens. It's one of the worst kept admissions secrets. To get into all three you have to be truly exceptional. The schools are so different but the best applicants tend to apply to all three.hdivine wrote:I have an admissions offer to Harvard, and I'm hopeful for Yale and Stanford as well; however, I have received a full-ride offer at another T-14 school and have at least two more potential full-rides (still completing essays) for other schools. I'm interested to see which schools people would be willing to turn down HYS at sticker price for full-rides.
I remember reading something along the lines of:PDaddy wrote:Very few applicants to HYS get all three. The adcoms at those schools talk, and rumor has it that, on rare occasion, they even swap students before finally sending out admission letters. With those three schools it's like the NFL draft on draft day. The very top draft picks get into all three, and that's maybe 5-10 students. A larger group gets into two of the three, and an even larger group gets into one of the three. Mind you, there are only a few students they discuss, but it happens. It's one of the worst kept admissions secrets. To get into all three you have to be truly exceptional. The schools are so different but the best applicants tend to apply to all three.hdivine wrote:I have an admissions offer to Harvard, and I'm hopeful for Yale and Stanford as well; however, I have received a full-ride offer at another T-14 school and have at least two more potential full-rides (still completing essays) for other schools. I'm interested to see which schools people would be willing to turn down HYS at sticker price for full-rides.
Haha yeah. That is good.sinfiery wrote:
Y has a 200 class size so they accept 200
S has a 200 class size so they accept 400 (200 off to Y)
H has a 600 class size, so they accept 1000 (400 off to S/Y)
that makes sense, albeit I could see some taking H > S but I bet it generally holds true.
Would pretty much explain the yield rates too
TLS states that 80% of Yale admits matriculate, so there is some crossover. Harvard and Stanford's yield rate are lower.sinfiery wrote:I remember reading something along the lines of:PDaddy wrote:Very few applicants to HYS get all three. The adcoms at those schools talk, and rumor has it that, on rare occasion, they even swap students before finally sending out admission letters. With those three schools it's like the NFL draft on draft day. The very top draft picks get into all three, and that's maybe 5-10 students. A larger group gets into two of the three, and an even larger group gets into one of the three. Mind you, there are only a few students they discuss, but it happens. It's one of the worst kept admissions secrets. To get into all three you have to be truly exceptional. The schools are so different but the best applicants tend to apply to all three.hdivine wrote:I have an admissions offer to Harvard, and I'm hopeful for Yale and Stanford as well; however, I have received a full-ride offer at another T-14 school and have at least two more potential full-rides (still completing essays) for other schools. I'm interested to see which schools people would be willing to turn down HYS at sticker price for full-rides.
Y has a 200 class size so they accept 200
S has a 200 class size so they accept 400 (200 off to Y)
H has a 600 class size, so they accept 1000 (400 off to S/Y)
that makes sense, albeit I could see some taking H > S but I bet it generally holds true.
Would pretty much explain the yield rates too
I wonder how much of Y's matriculation rate can be tied to the ridiculously late date they start letting people in?hdivine wrote:TLS states that 80% of Yale admits matriculate, so there is some crossover. Harvard and Stanford's yield rate are lower.sinfiery wrote:I remember reading something along the lines of:PDaddy wrote:Very few applicants to HYS get all three. The adcoms at those schools talk, and rumor has it that, on rare occasion, they even swap students before finally sending out admission letters. With those three schools it's like the NFL draft on draft day. The very top draft picks get into all three, and that's maybe 5-10 students. A larger group gets into two of the three, and an even larger group gets into one of the three. Mind you, there are only a few students they discuss, but it happens. It's one of the worst kept admissions secrets. To get into all three you have to be truly exceptional. The schools are so different but the best applicants tend to apply to all three.hdivine wrote:I have an admissions offer to Harvard, and I'm hopeful for Yale and Stanford as well; however, I have received a full-ride offer at another T-14 school and have at least two more potential full-rides (still completing essays) for other schools. I'm interested to see which schools people would be willing to turn down HYS at sticker price for full-rides.
Y has a 200 class size so they accept 200
S has a 200 class size so they accept 400 (200 off to Y)
H has a 600 class size, so they accept 1000 (400 off to S/Y)
that makes sense, albeit I could see some taking H > S but I bet it generally holds true.
Would pretty much explain the yield rates too
Wormfather wrote:I think this might be the credited response (especially since I want biglaw)JamMasterJ wrote:CCN and maybe P over H
Maybe CCN over S
None over Y
Yeah I was the one who first sort of came up with this a few weeks ago. The original purpose was to try to explain the yield rate, because people held it against Stanford that their yield rate was ~50% while Harvard's is 65%. This was just to show that making a few assumptions to simplify the economy (such as Yale getting all 200 admits, no HYS admits going anywhere other than HYS, etc.) that Stanford could have a lower yield rate without losing a single cross admit to Harvard. Obviously it doesn't function exactly like this in reality, but after I looked at it in comparison to the actual known yield rates I imagine that it's somewhat accurate (i.e that Stanford probably performs favorably against Harvard w/r/t cross-admits).hdivine wrote:TLS states that 80% of Yale admits matriculate, so there is some crossover. Harvard and Stanford's yield rate are lower.sinfiery wrote: I remember reading something along the lines of:
Y has a 200 class size so they accept 200
S has a 200 class size so they accept 400 (200 off to Y)
H has a 600 class size, so they accept 1000 (400 off to S/Y)
that makes sense, albeit I could see some taking H > S but I bet it generally holds true.
Would pretty much explain the yield rates too
Maximized wrote:Lol at anyone who can say they'd say no to a free education at Georgetown Law with a straight face. A single tear shed if anyone can do the same for Columbia.