Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

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Which T-14 Schools are the Most Conservative?

University of Chicago
81
24%
NYU
16
5%
UC Berkeley
34
10%
University of Pennsylvania
8
2%
University of Virginia
108
32%
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
4
1%
Duke University
52
15%
Northwestern University
10
3%
Georgetown University
13
4%
Cornell University
11
3%
 
Total votes: 337

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby Samara » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:20 am

Bildungsroman wrote:This is a lot of space that could be used to point out moronic someone needs to be to let the student body political composition rule out schools.

You're right, and since there's a limited number of posts that can be made on this site, I shouldn't be wasting them with posts that aren't beating a dead horse.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby Bronte » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:40 am

I can't believe this thread has gone on this long and that what OP has got out of it is that he should not apply to Virginia. There is no difference in politics between the T14 significant enough to even qualify as a factor in your decision, let alone to cause you to drop a school from your list.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby UnamSanctam » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:29 pm

Bronte wrote:I can't believe this thread has gone on this long and that what OP has got out of it is that he should not apply to Virginia. There is no difference in politics between the T14 significant enough to even qualify as a factor in your decision, let alone to cause you to drop a school from your list.


Pretty much. Although I appreciated that Michigan was qualified as a liberal haven that is actually not nice to URMs. Pro-tip: T14s are universally liberal havens that get butthurt about any disagreement on URM/gay issues, and you will be surrounded by liberals that think like you at any of them. But they'll probably make one statement you disagree with and your world will be fucking crushed by all the ignorant idiots around you.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby vanwinkle » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:30 pm

Bronte wrote:I can't believe this thread has gone on this long and that what OP has got out of it is that he should not apply to Virginia. There is no difference in politics between the T14 significant enough to even qualify as a factor in your decision, let alone to cause you to drop a school from your list.

I dunno, if he's as hypersensitive to politics as he sounds, then staying away from UVA might be a good idea.

He'd at least be doing UVA students a favor that way.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby Bronte » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:10 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
Bronte wrote:I can't believe this thread has gone on this long and that what OP has got out of it is that he should not apply to Virginia. There is no difference in politics between the T14 significant enough to even qualify as a factor in your decision, let alone to cause you to drop a school from your list.

I dunno, if he's as hypersensitive to politics as he sounds, then staying away from UVA might be a good idea.

He'd at least be doing UVA students a favor that way.


I'll revise: to the extent differences in politics between T14s are going to be a problem for OP, he should strongly consider opening his mind a little bit before he drops any schools from his list. If the diversity of views between the T14 is going to be a problem for you OP, the real world is going to crush you.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby IAFG » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:40 pm

Bronte wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:
Bronte wrote:I can't believe this thread has gone on this long and that what OP has got out of it is that he should not apply to Virginia. There is no difference in politics between the T14 significant enough to even qualify as a factor in your decision, let alone to cause you to drop a school from your list.

I dunno, if he's as hypersensitive to politics as he sounds, then staying away from UVA might be a good idea.

He'd at least be doing UVA students a favor that way.


I'll revise: to the extent differences in politics between T14s are going to be a problem for OP, he should strongly consider opening his mind a little bit before he drops any schools from his list. If the diversity of views between the T14 is going to be a problem for you OP, the real world is going to crush you.

I am still guessing there isn't any real "diversity of views" on the kinds of conservative positions OP is looking to avoid, but since he refuses to explain what he has in mind by "conservative," I guess we'll never know. Maybe he thinks Originalism is a super offensive concept.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby Bronte » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:46 pm

IAFG wrote:I am still guessing there isn't any real "diversity of views" on the kinds of conservative positions OP is looking to avoid, but since he refuses to explain what he has in mind by "conservative," I guess we'll never know. Maybe he thinks Originalism is a super offensive concept.


Yeah I still think the political differences are likely negligible. But I guess that's premised on the idea that learning a little bit about transaction costs is not going to be deeply offensive to most people.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby zman » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:27 am

Samara wrote:
Swimp wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:OP here. I appreciate the insight TLS. I guess its time to scratch Virginia off the app. list. I have never particularly cared for the school anyways. I am not sure about Duke and the University of Chicago yet.


Charlottesville is a pretty liberal town. Just because UVA is "conservative" relative to other top law schools doesn't mean it would feel actually conservative. I know a LOT of people from UVA (granted, undergrad) and I can't think of very many who believe in God, let alone identify as conservative.

You don't need to believe in God to be a dumb conservative.

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real conservatism has a great tradition but if you are calling the current republican party "conservatives" than you have a problem.. The current republican party are a bunch of neo-fascists, ultra reactionaries completely bought and paid by the big special interests. Calling the republicans "conservative" is as dumb as calling the democrats "liberals". There is nothing liberal about the democratic party and there is nothing conservative about the republican party.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby Wahoos » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:35 pm

Who comes up with this crap? I would estimate that liberals outnumber conservatives at UVA by more than 2 to 1

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby quiver » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:00 pm

zman wrote:real conservatism has a great tradition but if you are calling the current republican party "conservatives" than you have a problem.. The current republican party are a bunch of neo-fascists, ultra reactionaries completely bought and paid by the big special interests. Calling the republicans "conservative" is as dumb as calling the democrats "liberals". There is nothing liberal about the democratic party and there is nothing conservative about the republican party.
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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby RightWingConspiracy » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:44 pm

I would hate to attend a school with like-minded conservatives. I am looking forward to attending a far leftist law school :D

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby DaleCooper » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:08 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:OP here. I appreciate the insight TLS. I guess its time to scratch Virginia off the app. list. I have never particularly cared for the school anyways. I am not sure about Duke and the University of Chicago yet.


That is the most ridiculous thing I have read on this site* in a long time. Virginia and Chicago, even if they are the two most conservative schools in the T14**, are still overwhelmingly liberal by every reasonable measure. And the only reason Duke got any votes at all is because of ignorant people who don't know anything about it but assume a yankee-infested law school in the third most liberal town† in a purple state that only voted for Obama by a little bit last time must be full of "are country" Republicans.

Don't apply to BYU or George Mason. Other than that, you should be fine.

*Excluding the acronyms "T10" and "T13".
**And in Chicago's case, I'm just assuming based on my one visit that "conservative" means "85% Democrat, 15% Ron Paul Revolution".
†And it's within 10 miles of the other two.



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+1

While I'm at it, I'll also troll for my school a little bit: Despite NYU's rep as a left-wing haven (which it is), people here are actually pretty tolerant of both moderates and Actual Republicans. Much moreso than at UNC and Duke, in fact.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby kaiser » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:32 pm

Threads like this are the ultimate facepalms for me. I've always been pretty turned off with how far left law schools are and the mindset of some of these applicants (not because of my particular political proclivity, but because I don't like one-sided groupthink stampedes). Scratching a school of your list because its a 7 or 8 on the uber-liberal meter vs. a 9 or 10? Gimme a break. All top law schools are quite liberal, and saying that one is slightly "conservative" simply means that its slightly less liberal than the others. Not a reason to run away from some perceived conservative boogeyman.

God forbid students seek out an environment that isn't so one-sided as to essentially marginalize and push aside any viewpoint outside of the uniform groupthink. An earlier post is right in that people are conflating "conservative" with what current Republicans seem to say/think. There is indeed a long tradition of conservative ideas and viewpoints that can and should be a part of law school discourse, as a way of counterbalancing the typically-liberal points. And that has nothing to do with the neo-facist, religiously-dominated things the current Republicans say. I'd say most law school "conservatives" tend to just be libertarians anyway, and focus more on economic conservatism.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby bizzybone1313 » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:42 pm

OP here. I think a lot of people missed the point of me creating this thread. I don`t have a problem with conservative ideas. I do have a problem with racism though, and it just so happens that conservative schools are much more likely to have this type of culture on their campuses. I'm willing to bet that Virginia has a smaller percentage of minorities than most of the other T-14's. A lot of you may think this thread is foolish, but I bet it will be very useful to URM's applying in the future.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby kaiser » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:53 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:OP here. I think a lot of people missed the point of me creating this thread. I don`t have a problem with conservative ideas. I do have a problem with racism though, and it just so happens that conservative schools are much more likely to have this type of culture on their campuses. I'm willing to bet that Virginia has a smaller percentage of minorities than most of the other T-14's. A lot of you may think this thread is foolish, but I bet it will be very useful to URM's applying in the future.


"Conservative", especially when we are using the word in the context of T14 law schools, most certainly doesn't correlate with racist. But if this is a concern, why not contact the school and ask about their diversity initiatives, student groups, etc. Ask them to put you in touch with URM students or groups and ask the students themselves what their experiences are. Don't make assumptions without looking into the matter.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby quiver » Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:20 pm

kaiser wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:OP here. I think a lot of people missed the point of me creating this thread. I don`t have a problem with conservative ideas. I do have a problem with racism though, and it just so happens that conservative schools are much more likely to have this type of culture on their campuses. I'm willing to bet that Virginia has a smaller percentage of minorities than most of the other T-14's. A lot of you may think this thread is foolish, but I bet it will be very useful to URM's applying in the future.


"Conservative", especially when we are using the word in the context of T14 law schools, most certainly doesn't correlate with racist. But if this is a concern, why not contact the school and ask about their diversity initiatives, student groups, etc. Ask them to put you in touch with URM students or groups and ask the students themselves what their experiences are. Don't make assumptions without looking into the matter.
Yeah, this. Also, why didn't you just ask if there are any T14's that are racist instead of trying to analyze the issue from one (very imperfect) step removed?

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby Bronte » Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:26 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:OP here. I think a lot of people missed the point of me creating this thread. I don`t have a problem with conservative ideas. I do have a problem with racism though, and it just so happens that conservative schools are much more likely to have this type of culture on their campuses. I'm willing to bet that Virginia has a smaller percentage of minorities than most of the other T-14's. A lot of you may think this thread is foolish, but I bet it will be very useful to URM's applying in the future.


So, when you asked which schools were the most conservative, you actually meant which schools were the most racist. And you think that a thread discussing slight differences in legal philosophy will somehow be useful to future readers in discerning which T14s are more minority-friendly. That is just... I am at a loss for words.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:41 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:OP here. I think a lot of people missed the point of me creating this thread. I don`t have a problem with conservative ideas. I do have a problem with racism though, and it just so happens that conservative schools are much more likely to have this type of culture on their campuses. I'm willing to bet that Virginia has a smaller percentage of minorities than most of the other T-14's. A lot of you may think this thread is foolish, but I bet it will be very useful to URM's applying in the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby UnamSanctam » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:29 pm

Bronte wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:OP here. I think a lot of people missed the point of me creating this thread. I don`t have a problem with conservative ideas. I do have a problem with racism though, and it just so happens that conservative schools are much more likely to have this type of culture on their campuses. I'm willing to bet that Virginia has a smaller percentage of minorities than most of the other T-14's. A lot of you may think this thread is foolish, but I bet it will be very useful to URM's applying in the future.


So, when you asked which schools were the most conservative, you actually meant which schools were the most racist. And you think that a thread discussing slight differences in legal philosophy will somehow be useful to future readers in discerning which T14s are more minority-friendly. That is just... I am at a loss for words.


The word you're looking for is "fucktarded."

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Postby onionz » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:00 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:OP here. I think a lot of people missed the point of me creating this thread. I don`t have a problem with conservative ideas. I do have a problem with racism though, and it just so happens that conservative schools are much more likely to have this type of culture on their campuses. I'm willing to bet that Virginia has a smaller percentage of minorities than most of the other T-14's. A lot of you may think this thread is foolish, but I bet it will be very useful to URM's applying in the future.


If only there were a way to know what percent of the student body identifies as a minority at each school....

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby IAFG » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:27 pm

Bronte wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:OP here. I think a lot of people missed the point of me creating this thread. I don`t have a problem with conservative ideas. I do have a problem with racism though, and it just so happens that conservative schools are much more likely to have this type of culture on their campuses. I'm willing to bet that Virginia has a smaller percentage of minorities than most of the other T-14's. A lot of you may think this thread is foolish, but I bet it will be very useful to URM's applying in the future.


So, when you asked which schools were the most conservative, you actually meant which schools were the most racist. And you think that a thread discussing slight differences in legal philosophy will somehow be useful to future readers in discerning which T14s are more minority-friendly. That is just... I am at a loss for words.

The funny thing is, a ton of people totally got the point, told him his assumptions were wrong about what "conservative" meant in this context, and now he says we missed the point. JFC.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby Bronte » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:36 pm

IAFG wrote:
Bronte wrote:So, when you asked which schools were the most conservative, you actually meant which schools were the most racist. And you think that a thread discussing slight differences in legal philosophy will somehow be useful to future readers in discerning which T14s are more minority-friendly. That is just... I am at a loss for words.

The funny thing is, a ton of people totally got the point, told him his assumptions were wrong about what "conservative" meant in this context, and now he says we missed the point. JFC.


Right, people have told him there's probably no difference between the T14 in terms of conservatism. Then told him that, even if there is, it's not "are country" conservatism. From that, he decides that he shouldn't go to UVA because it's more racist than other T14s.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby bizzybone1313 » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:41 pm

Fall of 2012 Percentage of Minorities

University of Chicago (2011): 26%
NYU: 30%
University of Pennsylvania: 35%
UC Berkeley: 40%
University of Virginia: 21%
University of Michigan: 27%
Duke University (2011): 31%
Northwestern University (2011): 35%
Cornell University (2011): 49%
Georgetown University: 22%

Based on these numbers, it appears to me that there is some correlation between the conservative nature of a school and minorities not wanting to attend. Why do Northwestern and Cornell have a significantly higher percentage of minorities than the better schools of University of Virginia and the University of Chicago? I visited the University of Chicago a few years ago; I did not get a good vibe. Its not a school I am too excited about applying to. I phrased the poll question the way I did, because I was trying to be politically correct. I did not want to flat out ask: Which T-14 school has the most racist culture?

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby IAFG » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:54 pm

NO T14 HAS A RACIST CULTURE.

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Re: Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools

Postby SemperLegal » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:56 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:Fall of 2012 Percentage of Minorities

University of Chicago (2011): 26%
NYU: 30%
University of Pennsylvania: 35%
UC Berkeley: 40%
University of Virginia: 21%
University of Michigan: 27%
Duke University (2011): 31%
Northwestern University (2011): 35%
Cornell University (2011): 49%
Georgetown University: 22%

Based on these numbers, it appears to me that there is some correlation between the conservative nature of a school and minorities not wanting to attend. Why do Northwestern and Cornell have a significantly higher percentage of minorities than the better schools of University of Virginia and the University of Chicago? I visited the University of Chicago a few years ago; I did not get a good vibe. Its not a school I am too excited about applying to. I phrased the poll question the way I did, because I was trying to be politically correct. I did not want to flat out ask: Which T-14 school has the most racist culture?


So instead you insulted approximately half of the United States?

Also, just so you know 78% of America is white, so by your own standards you should probably choose a "less conservative" country. It must have something to do with those excited feelings.




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