Most Conservative T-14 Law Schools Forum

[Richie Tenenbaum]

Fall of 2012 Percentage of Minorities

University of Chicago (2011): 26%
NYU: 30%
University of Pennsylvania: 35%
UC Berkeley: 40%
University of Virginia: 21%
University of Michigan: 27%
Duke University (2011): 31%
Northwestern University (2011): 35%
Cornell University (2011): 49%
Georgetown University: 22%

Based on these numbers, it appears to me that there is some correlation between the conservative nature of a school and minorities not wanting to attend. Why do Northwestern and Cornell have a significantly higher percentage of minorities than the better schools of University of Virginia and the University of Chicago? I visited the University of Chicago a few years ago; I did not get a good vibe. Its not a school I am too excited about applying to. I phrased the poll question the way I did, because I was trying to be politically correct. I did not want to flat out ask: Which T-14 school has the most racist culture?

Very helpful stats. It's good to know that Michigan is more conservative than Duke. And NYU is more conservative than Penn.

[moonman157]

Fall of 2012 Percentage of Minorities

University of Chicago (2011): 26%
NYU: 30%
University of Pennsylvania: 35%
UC Berkeley: 40%
University of Virginia: 21%
University of Michigan: 27%
Duke University (2011): 31%
Northwestern University (2011): 35%
Cornell University (2011): 49%
Georgetown University: 22%

Based on these numbers, it appears to me that there is some correlation between the conservative nature of a school and minorities not wanting to attend. Why do Northwestern and Cornell have a significantly higher percentage of minorities than the better schools of University of Virginia and the University of Chicago? I visited the University of Chicago a few years ago; I did not get a good vibe. Its not a school I am too excited about applying to. I phrased the poll question the way I did, because I was trying to be politically correct. I did not want to flat out ask: Which T-14 school has the most racist culture?

In order for your logic to work, each school would have had to have accepted the same percentage of minorities. A higher percentage of minorities can definitely indicate a more accepting environment, but it doesn't mean that 1) a school with a lower percentage is inherently less welcoming and 2) their lower percentage is a result of minority students not wanting to attend simply because of the perceived environment.

[alwayssunnyinfl]

OP sounds racist as fuck.

[Tom Joad]

OP sounds racist as fuck.

Or conservative, same thing.

[Mce252]

I attended one of the most conservative undergraduate schools in the country. I am trying to avoid this for law school at all costs. Does anyone have any thoughts as to which of the T-14 are known to be the most conservative? I left YHSC off the poll, because most people would attend these schools if admitted.

Where did you go to undergrad? This will give us an idea of what you are trying to avoid.

[Mce252]

OP sounds racist as fuck.

Or conservative, same thing.

Thanks Chris Matthews.

[bizzybone1313]

Percentage of Minorities at YHSC for Fall of 2012

Yale: 32%
Harvard: 39%
Stanford (2011): 34%
Columbia: 38%

Let's turn this into a LSAT question. This should be fun. Here it goes.......

PT 66, S3, Q22

The Deep South in the United States has historically been more prone to racism than other parts of the country. In 2012, the University of Virginia School of Law, which is located in the Deep South, will only have a 21% representation of minorities in its class. In the United States, no other T-14 elite institution school of law has a lower percentage of minorities enrolled in its Fall of 2012 class than the University of Virginia. This fact suggests that there is a correlation between the conservativeness of a school and a culture of racism being more pervasive.

Which one of the following, if true, weakens bizzybone1313's argument?

If this was a real LSAT question, it would have to be thrown out. I didn't look up the percentage of minorities at all of the T-14 before accurately predicting that the more conservative law schools would have more of a problem recruiting people of color. As I stated in my original post, I went to one of the most conservative undergraduate schools in the country, and I am not doing that again for my legal studies.

[beachbum]

Here at Duke, we're not racist. But we're also not very tolerant of objectively awful people. So you can go ahead and scratch us off that old list of yours, OP. Thanks.

Edit: Also, lol @ Virginia being "the Deep South."

[alwayssunnyinfl]

Enjoy the multicultural oasis of Ithaca.

[SemperLegal]

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The Deep South in the United States has historically been more prone to racism than other parts of the country. In 2012, the University of Virginia School of Law, which is located in the Deep South, will only have a 21% representation of minorities in its class. In the United States, no other T-14 elite institution school of law has a lower percentage of minorities enrolled in its Fall of 2012 class than the University of Virginia. This fact suggests that there is a correlation between the conservativeness of a school and a culture of racism being more pervasive.

Which one of the following, if true, weakens bizzybone1313's argument?

UVA is not part of the deep south. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_South

The North has a history of racism and the South is heavily filled with minorities http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/us/25 ... d=all&_r=0, http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ha ... risdiction

Being as every T14 law school has more minorities than the population at large. This would imply three things:
1. There is no sense of racist culture at any T14 school
2. Demographic differences between individual T14's are more likely to be based on things that can be observed prior to matriculation, such as geography, reputation, undergraduate affiliations, recruiting, amount of external diversity funding, state constitutions, class size, fellowships. etc, rather than on an underlying racist dog whistle that prospective students hear.
3. That you are probably not a lot of fun to have in Crim Law class.

[Richie Tenenbaum]

Percentage of Minorities at YHSC for Fall of 2012

Yale: 32%
Harvard: 39%
Stanford (2011): 34%
Columbia: 38%

Wow, Yale has really become racist/conservative in comparison to some of the top schools. I blame Jack Balkin--damn you sir, this is what you get for playing with fire (originalism).

[bizzybone1313]

Here at Duke, we're not racist. But we're also not very tolerant of objectively awful people. So you can go ahead and scratch us off that old list of yours, OP. Thanks.

Edit: Also, lol @ Virginia being "the Deep South."

I don't really understand what in my posts would make me an awful person. I do not care for Duke too much anyways; I am not missing out. I get along just fine with most people. I simply have a very low tolerance for racism. The Republican Party will eventually get the point that subtle racism doesn't fly with us as we continue to thump them at the polls around the country election after election. They will get the point. I promise.

[alwayssunnyinfl]

Here at Duke, we're not racist. But we're also not very tolerant of objectively awful people. So you can go ahead and scratch us off that old list of yours, OP. Thanks.

Edit: Also, lol @ Virginia being "the Deep South."

I don't really understand what in my posts would make me an awful person. I do not care for Duke too much anyways; I am not missing out. I get along just fine with most people. I simply have a very low tolerance for racism. The Republican Party will eventually get the point that subtle racism doesn't fly with us as we continue to thump them at the polls around the country election after election. They will get the point. I promise.

I know a lot of racist Democrats.

[beachbum]

Here at Duke, we're not racist. But we're also not very tolerant of objectively awful people. So you can go ahead and scratch us off that old list of yours, OP. Thanks.

Edit: Also, lol @ Virginia being "the Deep South."

I don't really understand what in my posts would make me an awful person. I do not care for Duke too much anyways; I am not missing out. I get along just fine with most people. I simply have a very low tolerance for racism. The Republican Party will eventually get the point that subtle racism doesn't fly with us as we continue to thump them at the polls around the country election after election. They will get the point. I promise.

Sounds great, OP. I appreciate your cooperation.

[UnamSanctam]

Here at Duke, we're not racist. But we're also not very tolerant of objectively awful people. So you can go ahead and scratch us off that old list of yours, OP. Thanks.

Edit: Also, lol @ Virginia being "the Deep South."

I don't really understand what in my posts would make me an awful person. I do not care for Duke too much anyways; I am not missing out. I get along just fine with most people. I simply have a very low tolerance for racism. The Republican Party will eventually get the point that subtle racism doesn't fly with us as we continue to thump them at the polls around the country election after election. They will get the point. I promise.

A liberal who is high and mighty about racism? Color me surprised.

[Richie Tenenbaum]

Please cross UT off your list too. (I realize we're not a T14, I'm just trying to be proactive here.)

[Tom Joad]

The Republican Party will eventually get the point that subtle racism doesn't fly with us as we continue to thump them at the polls around the country election after election. They will get the point. I promise.

I kind of feel bad for OP. Hateful and out of touch.

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[bizzybone1313]

The Republican Party will eventually get the point that subtle racism doesn't fly with us as we continue to thump them at the polls around the country election after election. They will get the point. I promise.

I kind of feel bad for OP. Hateful and out of touch.

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Come back on election night. Mitt Romney is out of touch with middle-class America. That will be his downfall. I personally like the guy for the most part. He is very qualified to be President. He just has just said a lot of dumb things that have become a turn off to the average, middle of the road voter. That poll is national, which doesn't really mean anything. The only polls that matter are the battleground states, which show President Obama winning for the most part.

[IAFG]

Oh my God. Legal conservatism has pretty much nothing to do with the Republican party. It's okay to not know that, but it's not okay to ignore it when people are explaining it to you.

[bizzybone1313]

Please cross UT off your list too. (I realize we're not a T14, I'm just trying to be proactive here.)

I am from Texas, so that isn't happening. UT-Austin is the best bang for the buck in the country if you are from Texas. I do not really understand why so many people have a problem with my theory/this thread. I am sorry....facts are stubborn things. If you were a URM, you would be singing a different tune.

[IAFG]

Please cross UT off your list too. (I realize we're not a T14, I'm just trying to be proactive here.)

I am from Texas, so that isn't happening. UT-Austin is the best bang for the buck in the country if you are from Texas. I do not really understand why so many people have a problem with my theory/this thread. I am sorry....facts are stubborn things. If you were a URM, you would be singing a different tune.

Because your "facts" have nothing to do with the reality of T14 culture, which is universally bleeding heart liberal on race issues.

[bk1]

Please cross UT off your list too. (I realize we're not a T14, I'm just trying to be proactive here.)

I am from Texas, so that isn't happening. UT-Austin is the best bang for the buck in the country if you are from Texas. I do not really understand why so many people have a problem with my theory/this thread. I am sorry....facts are stubborn things. If you were a URM, you would be singing a different tune.

I'm a URM (I don't understand why it matters in this context whether one is a URM versus just a minority) and your thread is ridiculous.

[Blessedassurance]

I simply have a very low tolerance for racism. The Republican Party will eventually get the point that subtle racism doesn't fly with us as we continue to thump them at the polls around the country election after election. They will get the point. I promise.

What makes you think you won't find subtle racism at so-called liberal havens?

you seem dumb.

[bizzybone1313]

I simply have a very low tolerance for racism. The Republican Party will eventually get the point that subtle racism doesn't fly with us as we continue to thump them at the polls around the country election after election. They will get the point. I promise.

What makes you think you won't find subtle racism at so-called liberal havens?

you seem dumb.

I never claimed liberals cannot be racist. Who ever said that? Elite universities in general tend to have racial problems on their campuses throughout the country. We get used to it. Our eyes do not flinch. Its a normal part of our lives.

I can't be that dumb; I graduated Magma Cum Laude from undergrad.

[basilseal]

Troll.