TheSpanishMain wrote: timbs4339 wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:It's weird that my post prompted this, since I was just speculating on reasons someone might be working at Pizza Hut and still be a student at ITT. I do think it's fine to make fun of these people, though. I also think it's fine to make fun of someone going to law school, T14 included, at sticker.
What is the point of making fun of them other than for your own amusement?
Dissuading others from doing the same.
I suppose the underlying belief here is that the students aren't entirely blameless in all this. Sure, they're less
to blame than the boomer deans taking advantage of them, but they're still spectacularly failing to do basic research before investing years of their lives and quite a bit of money. It's sort of the same reason I roll my eyes when people refer to law students as "kids", as in "twelve kids from Duke got SAs there last year." I know it's a silly thing to be annoyed by, but I don't feel like it's unfair to the students to subject their decisions to an adult level of scrutiny. If they were 14, sure, they'd be 100% the victims here. They're old enough to buy booze, join the military, marry, and buy fireworks. They're old enough that we can expect a little more from them. They're adults, and college educated ones at that.
SM, I agree with everything you've said, but I've got a sightly different perspective.
I just read an interesting article in the "best articles on the interweb" thread, called "why politics makes you stupid". The basic hypothesis is that political consultants have realised that to be presented with evidence that goes against your (and your friends and families) fervently held beliefs is really uncomfortable, to the extent that you will often refuse to believe it. Instead, if presented with just enough evidence to affirm your current beliefs, no matter how tenuous, you'll cling to it. Which is why, when a congressman from Texas or Oklahoma trots out some shyster "scientist" to disavow the mountain of evidence in favour of anthropocentric global warming, they get such a warm reception (pardon the pun) on Hannity etc. Anything, even to the point of shutting down your critical faculties, to have your deeply held political views affirmed.
I think this is what's still going on out there in law school land. Imagine the pressure on a 23 year old liberal arts student with a good GPA working a shitty shift at Starbucks, who's boomer uncle cracks jokes about when he/she's going to get a proper job. They know their boomer parents, who know nothing about the law school scam "would be so proud", and they know they're wearing out their welcome back in the familial basement. Peers from undergrad have landed jobs and are starting out on their careers, but they're stuck. In their parents basement, with $50k of undergrad debt, working 70 hours a week in Starbucks, with all the psychological stress that comes with a bright kid not fulfilling their potential.
Enter the law school hucksters, dangling 3 years of being treated like royalty, an ability to tell friends and family, "yeah, I'm in law school", the chance (slim to none according to LST data) of landing an awesome job at the end........EVERY critical faculty goes out of the window. People are being promised a dream, not a job, and for many, in today's economy, that dream is VERY VERY seductive.
I think that's what's going on. The psychological pressure is too great for some, deans know the VERY message to deliver to tap into it, and are sucking the life out of these kids for their material gain. I blame the kids, sure, perhaps 10%, but 90% of the blame, in my view, goes to the deans and their enablers in the ABA.
Though I accept your own view on this probably depends on your philosophical views around personal agency.