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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:07 am

jingosaur wrote:96? Are you fucking kidding me? Everything we worked for! Since they were giving out big $$ for 148 LSATS and that's their median, maybe it's just because it's so cheap. But still, this is messed up.


LOL it wasn't 96 enrolled, it was 96 APPLICATIONS. 78 admitted and 35 enrolled.


bravo pond scummings

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby nothingtosee » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:12 am

james.bungles wrote:
jingosaur wrote:96? Are you fucking kidding me? Everything we worked for! Since they were giving out big $$ for 148 LSATS and that's their median, maybe it's just because it's so cheap. But still, this is messed up.


LOL it wasn't 96 enrolled, it was 96 APPLICATIONS. 78 admitted and 35 enrolled.


bravo pond scummings


I feel like I could get 96 people to apply to something with a $0 dollar application fee just by flyering at a mall...much less an undergrad student center.

They need like te alabama free iTunes thing. Maybe apply and get free Pizza Hut.

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby buddyt » Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:07 pm

nothingtosee wrote:
james.bungles wrote:
jingosaur wrote:96? Are you fucking kidding me? Everything we worked for! Since they were giving out big $$ for 148 LSATS and that's their median, maybe it's just because it's so cheap. But still, this is messed up.


LOL it wasn't 96 enrolled, it was 96 APPLICATIONS. 78 admitted and 35 enrolled.


bravo pond scummings


I feel like I could get 96 people to apply to something with a $0 dollar application fee just by flyering at a mall...much less an undergrad student center.

They need like te alabama free iTunes thing. Maybe apply and get free Pizza Hut.

Who are these 18 people whose applications were so bad that Indy Tech wouldn't even take them :shock: like I wouldn't be surprised if they had a literal 100% acceptance rate

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby pancakes3 » Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:12 pm

buddyt wrote:
nothingtosee wrote:
james.bungles wrote:
jingosaur wrote:96? Are you fucking kidding me? Everything we worked for! Since they were giving out big $$ for 148 LSATS and that's their median, maybe it's just because it's so cheap. But still, this is messed up.


LOL it wasn't 96 enrolled, it was 96 APPLICATIONS. 78 admitted and 35 enrolled.


bravo pond scummings


I feel like I could get 96 people to apply to something with a $0 dollar application fee just by flyering at a mall...much less an undergrad student center.

They need like te alabama free iTunes thing. Maybe apply and get free Pizza Hut.

Who are these 18 people whose applications were so bad that Indy Tech wouldn't even take them :shock: like I wouldn't be surprised if they had a literal 100% acceptance rate


Two halves of a good idea here. Just start handing out free acceptances at the mall.

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby hiima3L » Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:42 pm

buddyt wrote:
nothingtosee wrote:
james.bungles wrote:
jingosaur wrote:96? Are you fucking kidding me? Everything we worked for! Since they were giving out big $$ for 148 LSATS and that's their median, maybe it's just because it's so cheap. But still, this is messed up.


LOL it wasn't 96 enrolled, it was 96 APPLICATIONS. 78 admitted and 35 enrolled.


bravo pond scummings


I feel like I could get 96 people to apply to something with a $0 dollar application fee just by flyering at a mall...much less an undergrad student center.

They need like te alabama free iTunes thing. Maybe apply and get free Pizza Hut.

Who are these 18 people whose applications were so bad that Indy Tech wouldn't even take them :shock: like I wouldn't be surprised if they had a literal 100% acceptance rate


I wouldn't be surprised if some people with decent stats who applied were rejected because Tech knew they wouldn't end up there.

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby whitespider » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:35 pm

hiima3L wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if some people with decent stats who applied were rejected because Tech knew they wouldn't end up there.

Now I want to spend the $28 just to see if I get YPed.

I won't, though. I'd be too terrified of getting an phone call from Pond Scummings himself.

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby 03152016 » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:41 pm

i can't imagine they're worried about yp at this point
i think they're more concerned with accreditation
they can't afford to lose a single qualified candidate

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby whitespider » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:43 pm

But then how terrible must those 18 have been?

Sub-130 LSAT? Sub 2.0 GPA?

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby ManoftheHour » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:48 pm

whitespider wrote:
hiima3L wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if some people with decent stats who applied were rejected because Tech knew they wouldn't end up there.

Now I want to spend the $28 just to see if I get YPed.

I won't, though. I'd be too terrified of getting an phone call from Pond Scummings himself.

You should. And then ask if you can get a stipend to visit Fort Wayne.

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby 03152016 » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:49 pm

prob pretty bad

aba 501(b) states schools shall not admit students that don't appear capable of passing the bar
they're prob trying not to run afoul of that

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby whitespider » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:52 pm

Yeah, but there's no strict mechanism in place to really enforce that.

They tried to strengthen the policy just a little this year and weren't even able to accomplish that...

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/ ... _standard/

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby 03152016 » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:59 pm

it's not governed by 301-6?

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby whitespider » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:05 pm

It is, but 301-6 allows for shockingly poor bar performance.

For example Pontifical Catholic of Puerto Rico has bar passage rates of 32.7% (2012), 36.5% (2011) and 39.7% (2010) which is perfectly acceptable to the ABA because they fall less than 15% under the PR average passage rates of 45%, 50% and 51%.

Their median LSAT last year was 135.

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby buddyt » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:08 pm

whitespider wrote:Their median LSAT last year was 135.

:shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby nothingtosee » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:10 pm

buddyt wrote:
whitespider wrote:Their median LSAT last year was 135.

:shock: :shock: :shock:


I think we should stop pontificating about Puerto Rican schools until we know for sure about what language their LSAT is.

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby BigZuck » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:23 pm

nothingtosee wrote:
buddyt wrote:
whitespider wrote:Their median LSAT last year was 135.

:shock: :shock: :shock:


I think we should stop pontificating about Puerto Rican schools until we know for sure about what language their LSAT is.


Most of those people obviously can't pass the bar either. The school shouldn't be accepting tons of people who can't pass the bar, regardless of what that reason is.

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby 03152016 » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:26 pm

whitespider wrote:It is, but 301-6 allows for shockingly poor bar performance.

For example Pontifical Catholic of Puerto Rico has bar passage rates of 32.7% (2012), 36.5% (2011) and 39.7% (2010) which is perfectly acceptable to the ABA because they fall less than 15% under the PR average passage rates of 45%, 50% and 51%.

Their median LSAT last year was 135.

edited my post for clarity

your example isn't responsive to the inquiry because
(a) the standards are less stringent for existing schools (aba has never revoked accreditation regardless of how far schools fall, but they have denied accreditation)
(b) we don't know how lsat and bar pass tracks in puerto rico, where there may be language barriers
(c) it doesn't disprove the existence of an enforcement mechanism, which was a point in contention
(d) it doesn't demonstrate that the aba will accredit a school regardless of projected bar pass as measured by admissions standards, which is the initial point of this discussion

my counterexample is duncan, which is directly on point, as it was a new law school that sought aba accreditation, and was denied for accreditation on the ground that they enrolled students who did not appear capable of being admitted to the bar
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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby 03152016 » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:27 pm

here's a nytimes article about it
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/23/busin ... .html?_r=0

Specifically, the council found that Duncan, which is part of Lincoln Memorial University, fell short of a standard that prohibited the school from enrolling students who did not appear “capable of satisfactorily completing its educational program and being admitted to the bar.”

thoughts?

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby whitespider » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:48 pm

I don't disagree with all your above points.

There is a mechanism in place, it's just not very strict. Especially when it comes to revoking accreditation for existing ABA members.

Duncan is definitely an example of the system working. That being said Tennessee has a much higher passage rate than some other states making the accreditation standard more difficult to achieve.

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby 03152016 » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:55 pm

this is a very interesting analysis:
http://witnesseth.typepad.com/blog/2013 ... exams.html

note the position of indiana :wink:

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby whitespider » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:15 pm

Well, that definitely gives some credence to your Indiana Tech admission theory. They do need to be careful to not fall below 65%.

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby AReasonableMan » Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:52 pm

whitespider wrote:Well, that definitely gives some credence to your Indiana Tech admission theory. They do need to be careful to not fall below 65%.

If their applications were really that low, their yield percentage is as good as almost any school in the country. With their yield and Cooley's library size, they can become a powerhouse.

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby jk148706 » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:34 pm

http://www.ibj.com/articles/51685-no-re ... ment-slump

Article wrote:One of the schools in the weakest position is Indiana Tech, which welcomed its first class in 2013. The law school initially planned to enroll 100 in its first year, but ended up with only 28. Another 35 enrolled in the fall of 2014


The solution?

Article wrote:In January, Indiana Tech launched a part-time program to appeal to working professionals.

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Re: Indiana Tech Law School

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:03 pm

Why would Indiana ever need five different law schools

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Postby prezidentv8 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:40 am

Mack.Hambleton wrote:Why would Indiana ever need five three two different law schools




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