timbs4339 wrote:I agree that they are failing to do basic research, but the question is why. And the answer is that they don't think that they need to, and it seems sensible to them. A lot of these kids are probably first-generation college students. They don't know any lawyers, but they know TV. And they don't have any other viable white-collar employment options. And at age 22 they are essentially being asked to mortgage their futures by, on the one hand, what they know and assume is a respected institution of higher ed, and on the other, a bunch of faceless posters on an online forum.
This may be where we just have to disagree. Going to law school is a big decision. If you're contemplating it and you don't think, "Maybe I should do some real research instead of just making assumptions based on TV/my boomer parents", then I think you share a healthy portion of the blame if you put yourself in a shitty situation. You can't be expected to know stuff right off the bat, but you should at least know what you don't know and recognize the importance of making an informed decision.
timbs4339 wrote:Although I'd like to think TLS and LST have an impact, in truth I think most of the decline in applicants is due to just the massive amount of press this issues has gotten that is changing the common wisdom for some students. When the default option switches from "go" to "don't go" that doesn't mean students are doing more research or better analysis, it just means the culture is changing. But it's not changing all at once in all places, and you get schools like ITLS or the folks on the LawLemmings feed.
If you Google Indiana Tech, you get returns from TLS and AboveTheLaw. I don't think TLS is going to fix the problem, but I'd be surprised if at least a few people (besides the OP) weren't dissuaded from attending based on stuff they read here.
timbs4339 wrote:Come on man, just think about all the people you know. Would you really trust the average kid in your HS graduating class to be able to properly evaluate this decision? Would you be able to trust yourself, before you found TLS?
My high school class? No, probably not, but people don't go HS->LS anyway. My undergraduate class? Not entirely, but more so than high school. The point is that the balance of responsibility shifts as you age/mature/are educated. An 18 year old would be much less to blame for making a dumb decision than a 22 year old with four years of higher education. At a certain point society is allowed to stop treating you with kid gloves.
timbs4339 wrote:To the second part of your point, making fun of the existing students does not really tell lurkers all this. It just seems like you're getting your jollies. And, believe me, unless you're going to Yale, you might very well end up in the same place in the end.
Let me clarify something: I'm not accusing the ITLS students of moral failings. I'm not saying they are bad people. What I'm saying is that they are making a dumb decision and we are allowed to describe it as such. But yes, I acknowledge that TLS is not just dispassionate information and there is some shit talking/internet tomfoolery.
Just to reiterate, I'm not sure how my speculation about why someone might be a law student with a part time job at Pizza Hut became some kind of beyond the Pale insult. I'm not looking down on anyone who works a part time job.