What's the word on UCI?

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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby Cartman » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:10 pm

6thbackstreetboy wrote:CA bar results for UCI July 2012: 90% passed

For comparison, here are the schools with the highest bar passage rate from July 2011:

1. USC 91%
2. Stanford 89%
3. UC-B 87%
4. Pepperdine 86%
5. UCLA 85%


Can you cite the source? (I believe you, just want the reference.)

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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby 6thbackstreetboy » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:21 pm

Cartman wrote:
6thbackstreetboy wrote:CA bar results for UCI July 2012: 90% passed

For comparison, here are the schools with the highest bar passage rate from July 2011:

1. USC 91%
2. Stanford 89%
3. UC-B 87%
4. Pepperdine 86%
5. UCLA 85%


Can you cite the source? (I believe you, just want the reference.)

http://www.law.uci.edu/press_releases/11-20-12.html

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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby timbs4339 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:49 pm

6thbackstreetboy wrote:CA bar results for UCI July 2012: 90% passed

For comparison, here are the schools with the highest bar passage rate from July 2011:

1. USC 91%
2. Stanford 89%
3. UC-B 87%
4. Pepperdine 86%
5. UCLA 85%


Let's see how they do with 250 students instead of 60.

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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby dproduct » Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:24 pm

timbs4339 wrote:
6thbackstreetboy wrote:CA bar results for UCI July 2012: 90% passed

For comparison, here are the schools with the highest bar passage rate from July 2011:

1. USC 91%
2. Stanford 89%
3. UC-B 87%
4. Pepperdine 86%
5. UCLA 85%


Let's see how they do with 250 students instead of 60.


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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby indo » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:15 pm

hallet wrote:
chimp wrote:
hallet wrote:I am not quite sure what every one is talking about in regards to UCSB. I applied to the UC system, Davis and UCI were my back up schools. Got into both. UCSB was what I thought of as my ideal school, with LA, SD and Berkeley as my reach. Admission stats for UCI is considerably lower that SB. Get your facts straight haters.

You're talking out of your ass.


Check your stats. Average SAT score for incoming freshman class at UCI was 1750's, UCSB's was 1850's. Those are both for students who actually accepted. Get your stats right buddy. Gauchos>Anteaters + Aggies.

You all acting like little children.
Grow up

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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby TheThriller » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:43 pm

indo wrote:
hallet wrote:
chimp wrote:
hallet wrote:I am not quite sure what every one is talking about in regards to UCSB. I applied to the UC system, Davis and UCI were my back up schools. Got into both. UCSB was what I thought of as my ideal school, with LA, SD and Berkeley as my reach. Admission stats for UCI is considerably lower that SB. Get your facts straight haters.

You're talking out of your ass.


Check your stats. Average SAT score for incoming freshman class at UCI was 1750's, UCSB's was 1850's. Those are both for students who actually accepted. Get your stats right buddy. Gauchos>Anteaters + Aggies.

You all acting like little children.
Grow up


nice contribution to the conversation

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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby defdef » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:56 am

Lawquacious wrote:
defdef wrote:11/58 apparently got federal clerkships (3 others got state clerkships is what i understand from the articles i've read). the rankings went, Yale > Stanford > UCI > Harvard


Post stats to back up your purported clerkship stats/rankings.



http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.co ... C_Irvine_/

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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby tooswolle » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:01 pm

I'm seriously considering attending. I deferred last year and have a good scholarship. My main concern are employment prospects as ill be leaving a good job to attend. Anyone know how well they perform in big law, mid law, in house jobs?

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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby bhan87 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:13 pm

tooswolle wrote:I'm seriously considering attending. I deferred last year and have a good scholarship. My main concern are employment prospects as ill be leaving a good job to attend. Anyone know how well they perform in big law, mid law, in house jobs?


No way to tell right now because that info isn't readily available and there is potential for excitement bias due to UCI being a shiny new school. But, a lot of companies (law firms included) donated quite a bit of money into the school. Hopefully that's a sign of interest as I'd like to see UCI succeed.

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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby somewhatwayward » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:21 pm

dingbat wrote:
slack_academic wrote:
Golden Bear 11 wrote:ABA should shut down all law schools in CA except for Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, and USC.


Eh. I interned with a judge and met a lot of judges/DAs/public defenders. A shit ton of them were from Loyola and Pepperdine. Plenty from Southwestern too, though I think that's changing. I think there's a place in the legal world for these schools, even if many who come out of them are unsuccessful and crippled by debt.

ETA: I mean a place for Tier 2 regional schools like Loyola/Pepperdine, not TTTs and below.

One reason TTTs should stay is that not every smart person has a talent for law, and while there's no empirical evidence, I'm willing to bet that the top student at a TTT would probably make a better lawyer than the bottom student of a T14. Being really smart can get you into a great school, but it doesn't mean you "get it".


you're assuming that for T14 students, higher grades = talent for law/better lawyer, which i don't think is true. grades only measure the narrow skill of taking law school exams. i think everyone at a T14 has the necessary intellectual ability to be a good lawyer, but someone has to be the bottom of the class. intra/interpersonal skills and business acumen play a large role in success if you can get your foot in the door, and i don't think a bottom-of-the-barrel T14 grad has less of those than the top-of-the-class TTT grad notwithstanding all the stereotypes about aspie T14 students. i don't think the T14 herd should necessarily be culled based on grades in favor of top-of-the-class TTT grads. ideally both groups are able to practice because i do agree that all our future lawyers should not be determined based on UGPA and LSAT.

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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby timbs4339 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:22 pm

tooswolle wrote:I'm seriously considering attending. I deferred last year and have a good scholarship. My main concern are employment prospects as ill be leaving a good job to attend. Anyone know how well they perform in big law, mid law, in house jobs?


Nobody knows for sure because we haven't seen the results from UCI's first full class yet. The stats from the class of 2012 are inflated because of the low class size. But I wouldn't take that bet if I had a good job.

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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby somewhatwayward » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:32 pm

tooswolle wrote:I'm seriously considering attending. I deferred last year and have a good scholarship. My main concern are employment prospects as ill be leaving a good job to attend. Anyone know how well they perform in big law, mid law, in house jobs?


What are your numbers and other options (if you are applying elsewhere)? It is way too early to know about in-house since that is usually a lateral move after some time at a firm, and the first class has barely started working. I would be wary about relying on whatever percent got big law for c/o 2012 given the tiny class....if it is, say, 25%, I would not rely on that number holding constant as the class grows. If it was 25% of the first class, that'd be ~15 students. I thought I read somewhere that UCI was aiming for 250 students eventually.....25% of that would be ~62 positions, which would mean that UCI students would have to displace lots of other CA schools' students to maintain that percentage. I don't know how realistic that is - it is definitely possible but is a risky assumption.

You say you have a good scholarship, which can change things (how good?). But since you do have a good job already and it sounds like you are only looking to improve your position and not end up with a $40K/year PI position, even with low debt, I would tread very carefully. I would personally not go to UCI, even with a large scholarship, if your goal is to get big law or mid law.

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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby tooswolle » Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:00 pm

somewhatwayward wrote:
tooswolle wrote:I'm seriously considering attending. I deferred last year and have a good scholarship. My main concern are employment prospects as ill be leaving a good job to attend. Anyone know how well they perform in big law, mid law, in house jobs?


What are your numbers and other options (if you are applying elsewhere)? It is way too early to know about in-house since that is usually a lateral move after some time at a firm, and the first class has barely started working. I would be wary about relying on whatever percent got big law for c/o 2012 given the tiny class....if it is, say, 25%, I would not rely on that number holding constant as the class grows. If it was 25% of the first class, that'd be ~15 students. I thought I read somewhere that UCI was aiming for 250 students eventually.....25% of that would be ~62 positions, which would mean that UCI students would have to displace lots of other CA schools' students to maintain that percentage. I don't know how realistic that is - it is definitely possible but is a risky assumption.

You say you have a good scholarship, which can change things (how good?). But since you do have a good job already and it sounds like you are only looking to improve your position and not end up with a $40K/year PI position, even with low debt, I would tread very carefully. I would personally not go to UCI, even with a large scholarship, if your goal is to get big law or mid law.


I won't go outright and state my numbers but ill put it this way I'm not good enough to get in to UCLA USC and above but I'm good enough to get in to the lower ranked schools in so cal. My scholarship is sizable around 50% but still means a significant investment even after using savings. I'm not applying anywhere else as I deferred last year. That being said I'm weighting the pros and cons of both. A good job that pays on the mid 50's with literally no debt v following a dream and making more. In essence I'd only go if I can make it worth my while; hence my question on employment.

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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby timbs4339 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:16 pm

tooswolle wrote:
somewhatwayward wrote:
tooswolle wrote:I'm seriously considering attending. I deferred last year and have a good scholarship. My main concern are employment prospects as ill be leaving a good job to attend. Anyone know how well they perform in big law, mid law, in house jobs?


What are your numbers and other options (if you are applying elsewhere)? It is way too early to know about in-house since that is usually a lateral move after some time at a firm, and the first class has barely started working. I would be wary about relying on whatever percent got big law for c/o 2012 given the tiny class....if it is, say, 25%, I would not rely on that number holding constant as the class grows. If it was 25% of the first class, that'd be ~15 students. I thought I read somewhere that UCI was aiming for 250 students eventually.....25% of that would be ~62 positions, which would mean that UCI students would have to displace lots of other CA schools' students to maintain that percentage. I don't know how realistic that is - it is definitely possible but is a risky assumption.

You say you have a good scholarship, which can change things (how good?). But since you do have a good job already and it sounds like you are only looking to improve your position and not end up with a $40K/year PI position, even with low debt, I would tread very carefully. I would personally not go to UCI, even with a large scholarship, if your goal is to get big law or mid law.


I won't go outright and state my numbers but ill put it this way I'm not good enough to get in to UCLA USC and above but I'm good enough to get in to the lower ranked schools in so cal. My scholarship is sizable around 50% but still means a significant investment even after using savings. I'm not applying anywhere else as I deferred last year. That being said I'm weighting the pros and cons of both. A good job that pays on the mid 50's with literally no debt v following a dream and making more. In essence I'd only go if I can make it worth my while; hence my question on employment.


Can you get the job back after 1L year if you don't place in the top 10 or 15%? If you don't like those odds, then don't go.

The SoCal biglaw/midlaw market is hugely saturated. It may be able to absorb 20 or 40% of a class of 60 students with T14 numbers. It can't absorb 20 or 40% of a 250 person class with T30 numbers.

Nobody in their right mind thinks that UCI will continue to place double-digit % of their class in A3 clerkships- most likely 11 students or whatever is the total number of names in the faculty's little black book.

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Re: What's the word on UCI?

Postby tooswolle » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:32 pm

timbs4339 wrote:
tooswolle wrote:
somewhatwayward wrote:
tooswolle wrote:I'm seriously considering attending. I deferred last year and have a good scholarship. My main concern are employment prospects as ill be leaving a good job to attend. Anyone know how well they perform in big law, mid law, in house jobs?


What are your numbers and other options (if you are applying elsewhere)? It is way too early to know about in-house since that is usually a lateral move after some time at a firm, and the first class has barely started working. I would be wary about relying on whatever percent got big law for c/o 2012 given the tiny class....if it is, say, 25%, I would not rely on that number holding constant as the class grows. If it was 25% of the first class, that'd be ~15 students. I thought I read somewhere that UCI was aiming for 250 students eventually.....25% of that would be ~62 positions, which would mean that UCI students would have to displace lots of other CA schools' students to maintain that percentage. I don't know how realistic that is - it is definitely possible but is a risky assumption.

You say you have a good scholarship, which can change things (how good?). But since you do have a good job already and it sounds like you are only looking to improve your position and not end up with a $40K/year PI position, even with low debt, I would tread very carefully. I would personally not go to UCI, even with a large scholarship, if your goal is to get big law or mid law.


I won't go outright and state my numbers but ill put it this way I'm not good enough to get in to UCLA USC and above but I'm good enough to get in to the lower ranked schools in so cal. My scholarship is sizable around 50% but still means a significant investment even after using savings. I'm not applying anywhere else as I deferred last year. That being said I'm weighting the pros and cons of both. A good job that pays on the mid 50's with literally no debt v following a dream and making more. In essence I'd only go if I can make it worth my while; hence my question on employment.


Can you get the job back after 1L year if you don't place in the top 10 or 15%? If you don't like those odds, then don't go.

The SoCal biglaw/midlaw market is hugely saturated. It may be able to absorb 20 or 40% of a class of 60 students with T14 numbers. It can't absorb 20 or 40% of a 250 person class with T30 numbers.

Nobody in their right mind thinks that UCI will continue to place double-digit % of their class in A3 clerkships- most likely 11 students or whatever is the total number of names in the faculty's little black book.


Can't say I can return to the job for sure, but I saw one of my current co workers do it. It's a small industry and I hold professional licenses so it wouldn't be hard. That being said, my main concern is making money. Guess ill have to think long and hard as to whether go, retake or do business school. Right now I'm leaning towards B school.




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