Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby iMisto » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:29 am

If you don't like debt, you could try BU's ED for funsies. It comes will full-ride scholly - and your 169 is very high for them. Just a thought.

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby Easy-E » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:50 am

iMisto wrote:If you don't like debt, you could try BU's ED for funsies. It comes will full-ride scholly - and your 169 is very high for them. Just a thought.


Didn't know that about their ED. Is there a standard stipulation on that? And any idea how fast the turn around is on ED decisions?

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby iMisto » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:48 pm

I don't know any of those answers, but you should look into it. It's a solid school.

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby Easy-E » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:51 pm

iMisto wrote:I don't know any of those answers, but you should look into it. It's a solid school.


Yeah, the website describes it as a 3-year full ride, so it sounds like it might be stip-free. I imagine its pretty competitive, but I'll consider throwing my hat in the ring. That'd be a hard offer to pass up.

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby Easy-E » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:22 pm

flem wrote:GW's ED also comes with a full ride




Should I be taking anything away from what schools give me a fee waiver? GW is definitely one of my targets, but they turned me down for a fee waiver, while BU, Vanderbilt, Texas, and UCLA all gave me one. Is it a genuine sign of interest, or do some schools just want to be able to turn down more people to make themselves seem more selective? Or am I conspiracy theorist?


Also, I've asked this in multiple threads, but ED UVA wouldn't even be worth it unless I break 170 right?

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby shifty_eyed » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:27 pm

ED UVA is not worth it unless you are at or above one median.

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby JamMasterJ » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:27 pm

emarxnj wrote:
flem wrote:GW's ED also comes with a full ride




Should I be taking anything away from what schools give me a fee waiver? GW is definitely one of my targets, but they turned me down for a fee waiver, while BU, Vanderbilt, Texas, and UCLA all gave me one. Is it a genuine sign of interest, or do some schools just want to be able to turn down more people to make themselves seem more selective? Or am I conspiracy theorist?


Also, I've asked this in multiple threads, but ED UVA wouldn't even be worth it unless I break 170 right?

probably, I think your best shot at T14 is ED Mich

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby BigZuck » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:39 pm

Out at Vandy, UT, and UCLA. Not splitter friendly.

I don't see you getting in to any of the top 18 schools. LSAT is too low for splitter friendly schools, gpa is too low for the rest. Plus the C&F issues might cause you to underperform your numbers as is. I would retake and work for a few more years before applying to law school.

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby The Duck » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:52 pm

JamMasterJ wrote:
emarxnj wrote:
flem wrote:GW's ED also comes with a full ride




Should I be taking anything away from what schools give me a fee waiver? GW is definitely one of my targets, but they turned me down for a fee waiver, while BU, Vanderbilt, Texas, and UCLA all gave me one. Is it a genuine sign of interest, or do some schools just want to be able to turn down more people to make themselves seem more selective? Or am I conspiracy theorist?


Also, I've asked this in multiple threads, but ED UVA wouldn't even be worth it unless I break 170 right?

probably, I think your best shot at T14 is ED Mich


Once again, Michigan gives no admission boost for ED and it requires summer start which doesn't suit many people.

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby Easy-E » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:55 pm

shifty_eyed wrote:ED UVA is not worth it unless you are at or above one median.


You and your damn logic shifty.

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:09 pm

The Duck wrote:Once again, Michigan gives no admission boost for ED and it requires summer start which doesn't suit many people.


Even Dean Z admits ED helps on the margins. It's just this type of candidate, with an LSAT right at the median and a GPA close (or perhaps just below) the GPA floor who could use that marginal boost.

And despite Dean Z's supposed disdain for the practice, a few dozen people a year get in via ED.

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby The Duck » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:18 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
The Duck wrote:Once again, Michigan gives no admission boost for ED and it requires summer start which doesn't suit many people.


Even Dean Z admits ED helps on the margins. It's just this type of candidate, with an LSAT right at the median and a GPA close (or perhaps just below) the GPA floor who could use that marginal boost.

And despite Dean Z's supposed disdain for the practice, a few dozen people a year get in via ED.


He's not even close to the GPA floor. The 25% is 3.58.

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby shifty_eyed » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:23 pm

The Duck wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
The Duck wrote:Once again, Michigan gives no admission boost for ED and it requires summer start which doesn't suit many people.


Even Dean Z admits ED helps on the margins. It's just this type of candidate, with an LSAT right at the median and a GPA close (or perhaps just below) the GPA floor who could use that marginal boost.

And despite Dean Z's supposed disdain for the practice, a few dozen people a year get in via ED.


He's not even close to the GPA floor. The 25% is 3.58.


Only 2 data points, but it looks like he wouldn't be auto-reject at Michigan

http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =3&type=jd

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:27 pm

GPA floors have nothing to do with the 25th percentile. It's just about how low a school will go (usually to grab a good LSAT score.) Michigan's seemed to be about a 3.2 last cycle. Surprisingly it was actually a little lower in 2010-2011, with four students around a 3.1 (all with LSATs of 169-171) getting in. To The Duck's point, none of those four got in via ED (the one who did apply ED got WLd) so maybe it simply doesn't matter.

http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1112/

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby Easy-E » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:27 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:GPA floors have nothing to do with the 25th percentile. It's just about how low a school will go (usually to grab a good LSAT score.) Michigan's seemed to be about a 3.2 last cycle. Surprisingly it was actually a little lower in 2010-2011, with four students around a 3.1 (all with LSATs of 169-171) getting in. To The Duck's point, none of those four got in via ED (the one who did apply ED got WLd) so maybe it simply doesn't matter.

http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1112/



So what I'm taking away from this is that if I apply to Michigan (I am) I shouldn't waste my ED chip there, as it seems they don't lend much to it, and it requires a summer start?


I know Samara's "How to be a successful splitter" thread had all the GPA floors and splitter friendliness, but has there been an updated version of the chart she made?
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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby JamMasterJ » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:39 pm

emarxnj wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:GPA floors have nothing to do with the 25th percentile. It's just about how low a school will go (usually to grab a good LSAT score.) Michigan's seemed to be about a 3.2 last cycle. Surprisingly it was actually a little lower in 2010-2011, with four students around a 3.1 (all with LSATs of 169-171) getting in. To The Duck's point, none of those four got in via ED (the one who did apply ED got WLd) so maybe it simply doesn't matter.

http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1112/



So what I'm taking away from this is that if I apply to Michigan (I am) I shouldn't waste my ED chip there, as it seems they don't lend much to it, and it requires a summer start?


I know Samara's "How to be a successful splitter" thread had all the GPA floors and splitter friendliness, but has there been an updated version of the chart she made?
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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby Easy-E » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:09 pm

JamMasterJ wrote:
emarxnj wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:GPA floors have nothing to do with the 25th percentile. It's just about how low a school will go (usually to grab a good LSAT score.) Michigan's seemed to be about a 3.2 last cycle. Surprisingly it was actually a little lower in 2010-2011, with four students around a 3.1 (all with LSATs of 169-171) getting in. To The Duck's point, none of those four got in via ED (the one who did apply ED got WLd) so maybe it simply doesn't matter.

http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1112/



So what I'm taking away from this is that if I apply to Michigan (I am) I shouldn't waste my ED chip there, as it seems they don't lend much to it, and it requires a summer start?


I know Samara's "How to be a successful splitter" thread had all the GPA floors and splitter friendliness, but has there been an updated version of the chart she made?
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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby echamberlin8 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:04 pm

Emarxnj, just a random pop-in. I noticed you said you had some possible worries about C&F. I worry about that sometimes myself...I don't have anything bad, but I have a misdemeanor charge to my name. If you care to, you should PM me. I'm interested in what your thoughts are on the C&F aspect of applying. I plan to apply this cycle to, but I don't have an LSAT score yet. I have a 3.73 GPA and I'm shooting for a 170+, but we shall see...

Anyways, I'm interested to talk to someone about C&F, and I'm curious what your issues are that make you worried about applying to the T14 schools.

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby Easy-E » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:57 am

echamberlin8 wrote:Emarxnj, just a random pop-in. I noticed you said you had some possible worries about C&F. I worry about that sometimes myself...I don't have anything bad, but I have a misdemeanor charge to my name. If you care to, you should PM me. I'm interested in what your thoughts are on the C&F aspect of applying. I plan to apply this cycle to, but I don't have an LSAT score yet. I have a 3.73 GPA and I'm shooting for a 170+, but we shall see...

Anyways, I'm interested to talk to someone about C&F, and I'm curious what your issues are that make you worried about applying to the T14 schools.


Had a few incidents when I was younger (under 21), mostly underage possession of alcohol or underage drinking deals. Was putting some distance between myself and those run-ins, but unfortunately I found myself in trouble again this summer. I was involved in an altercation, arrested for disorderly conduct which was later knocked down to a noise violation. I'm guessing it's going to hurt me whenever I'm up against another applicant with similar numbers to mine, and probably with schools where I'm borderline. I can't really help more than that, sorry. I'll know more after this cycle if I severely under perform.

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby NoodleyOne » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:28 pm

emarxnj wrote:
Br3v wrote:emar are you retaking OCt?


No, I had intended to but I ended up getting buried with work in August and just never got organized to study again. I know grabbing a few more points on the LSAT would make a huge difference, but waiting another cycle might not be possible. I've asked around applying early and using the December LSAT to (ideally) get me off waitlists, but I'm not sure at this point.


If you can go a year without getting arrested that may help separating yourself from your C&F issues.

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby Easy-E » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:44 pm

NoodleyOne wrote:
emarxnj wrote:
Br3v wrote:emar are you retaking OCt?


No, I had intended to but I ended up getting buried with work in August and just never got organized to study again. I know grabbing a few more points on the LSAT would make a huge difference, but waiting another cycle might not be possible. I've asked around applying early and using the December LSAT to (ideally) get me off waitlists, but I'm not sure at this point.


If you can go a year without getting arrested that may help separating yourself from your C&F issues.


I thought about this, although if there is an issue with the bar itself, I don't think it's gonna help. I'm going to send out apps for this cycle, if I don't wind up with anything I like, or noticeably under-perform, I'll have to consider taking another year (and obviously keeping my nose clean).

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby Robespierre » Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:50 pm

I know I'm very late to the party, but a couple of people got into GULC last year with roughly 3.1/170. GULC's median is down to 169 now so this year presumably some people will get in with 3.1/169. So that might be worth a try ED. GULC definitely gives a small bump for ED. And, depending on your individual circumstances, it might be worth attending without merit aid.

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby Easy-E » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:21 pm

Robespierre wrote:I know I'm very late to the party, but a couple of people got into GULC last year with roughly 3.1/170. GULC's median is down to 169 now so this year presumably some people will get in with 3.1/169. So that might be worth a try ED. GULC definitely gives a small bump for ED. And, depending on your individual circumstances, it might be worth attending without merit aid.



Does anyone know where I can see school's current LSAT median?

I'm going to apply to GULC but sticker there would be pretty terrifying, even with family support. I may just skip the ED, I don't like the idea of being locked into something especially when I have no idea how this cycle may go.

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby Br3v » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:23 pm

emarxnj wrote:
Robespierre wrote:I know I'm very late to the party, but a couple of people got into GULC last year with roughly 3.1/170. GULC's median is down to 169 now so this year presumably some people will get in with 3.1/169. So that might be worth a try ED. GULC definitely gives a small bump for ED. And, depending on your individual circumstances, it might be worth attending without merit aid.



Does anyone know where I can see school's current LSAT median?

I'm going to apply to GULC but sticker there would be pretty terrifying, even with family support. I may just skip the ED, I don't like the idea of being locked into something especially when I have no idea how this cycle may go.


check the median thread

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Re: Should I even ED anywhere with current score?

Postby Robespierre » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:27 pm

emarxnj wrote:
Robespierre wrote:I know I'm very late to the party, but a couple of people got into GULC last year with roughly 3.1/170. GULC's median is down to 169 now so this year presumably some people will get in with 3.1/169. So that might be worth a try ED. GULC definitely gives a small bump for ED. And, depending on your individual circumstances, it might be worth attending without merit aid.



Does anyone know where I can see school's current LSAT median?

I'm going to apply to GULC but sticker there would be pretty terrifying, even with family support. I may just skip the ED, I don't like the idea of being locked into something especially when I have no idea how this cycle may go.


OK, that's a perfectly reasonable approach.

For current medians you have to check the medians thread in this sub-forum or else go to school websites.




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