Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

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Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby hazelb » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:24 pm

Have grades 3.8/score 173 for next set of schools behind HYS.
Where to go where there are students who do outdoors stuff in downtime instead of just hitting the bars? Camping, backcountry skiing, whitewater/river rafting, etc.
Even if I can't do this stuff every weekend, I want to be around people who also dig the outdoors.

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby Borhas » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:28 pm

I recommend Berkeley

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby WhiteyCakes » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:28 pm

UVA or Berkeley

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby Swimp » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:36 pm

WhiteyCakes wrote:UVA or Berkeley


Berkeley and Stanford have this reputation, but +1 UVA.

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby TheThriller » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:36 pm

Cornell for skiing?

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby WhiteyCakes » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:38 pm

TheThriller wrote:Cornell for skiing?


With those numbers you can do better

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby Ti Malice » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:39 pm

Not answering your question, but HLS is definitely not out of the question with those numbers -- especially this year.

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby WhiteyCakes » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:48 pm

Ti Malice wrote:Not answering your question, but HLS is definitely not out of the question with those numbers -- especially this year.

As someone with very similar numbers...that is good to know

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby hazelb » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:55 pm

Thanks for the confidence in the grades/score but am not headed to Big Law so want to spend 3 years with like-minded people. No put down for those choosing 100 workweeks and making partner in 7 years but my interests are more in-line with public interest, mediation, environmental, etc. and people making other choices than paycheck.

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby WhiteyCakes » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:57 pm

hazelb wrote:Thanks for the confidence in the grades/score but am not headed to Big Law so want to spend 3 years with like-minded people. No put down for those choosing 100 workweeks and making partner in 7 years but my interests are more in-line with public interest, mediation, environmental, etc. and people making other choices than paycheck.

Then def Berkeley for environmental

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby Swimp » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:58 pm

hazelb wrote:Thanks for the confidence in the grades/score but am not headed to Big Law so want to spend 3 years with like-minded people. No put down for those choosing 100 workweeks and making partner in 7 years but my interests are more in-line with public interest, mediation, environmental, etc. and people making other choices than paycheck.


You've heard about the state of the legal hiring market, right? All those areas will be easier to get into from Harvard too.

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:59 pm

hazelb wrote:Thanks for the confidence in the grades/score but am not headed to Big Law so want to spend 3 years with like-minded people. No put down for those choosing 100 workweeks and making partner in 7 years but my interests are more in-line with public interest, mediation, environmental, etc. and people making other choices than paycheck.


That makes it difficult to quantify the value of each T14 compared to the others. Before you posted this, I was going to ask you if the outdoors stuff meant enough to you that you would be willing to sacrifice job prospects for it (BIG LAWLZ chances). However, because you do not want big law, it becomes more difficult (even though you should know that good PI and government jobs are harder to get than Big Law, and big law feeds into those jobs).
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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby Ti Malice » Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:14 pm

hazelb wrote:Thanks for the confidence in the grades/score but am not headed to Big Law so want to spend 3 years with like-minded people. No put down for those choosing 100 workweeks and making partner in 7 years but my interests are more in-line with public interest, mediation, environmental, etc. and people making other choices than paycheck.


Your call, but you should at least apply and then visit, if you're accepted, so that you can see how much reality varies from your preconceptions. The differences in student bodies are probably not as stark as you imagine. Most people at Boalt are not aiming for PI. By the same token, HLS is big enough for you to find a good number of people on non-BigLaw tracks. You should also consider that many PI jobs are harder to get than BigLaw jobs, and law school prestige matters just as much there as well.

You should also apply to NYU as well, if you can stomach the idea of living in NYC (you're essentially an auto-admit there); they're known for having a strong PI culture. Hell, throw an app at Yale, too. You never know. The institutional and student body commitment to PI is as strong here as you'll find at any top school.

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby sunynp » Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:41 pm

You should go to the best school that admits you. You are not going to find a school full of people who are into PI. You should also go to a school that offers the best LRAP program for public interest. I think your first concern should be maximizing the chances you will be able to land an ultra-competitive job and then a very close secon, how will you repay loans if you have to borrow money to pay for law school.

You can find outdoors things to do and outdoorsy people pretty much every where.

What is your concern about finding " like-minded" people? What sort of people do you assume go to T14 schools?

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby Tom Joad » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:31 pm

Who cares if you have to spend 3 years with people different than you? Don't be a baby and jeopardize your career prospects. But really at any school you will find some people you like.

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:26 pm

The fact that you don't want big law makes this the first time I've ever recommended my school on TLS.

CU-Boulder hands down for everything you've mentioned. You can walk out the front door of the law school and hike the flatirons. Check out some pics-- http://www.colorado.edu (scroll all the way down to check out a nice shot of the campus). The culture here is very "outdoors." We are within an hour of great skiing, rafting, camping, you name it. Boulder constantly ranks as the healthiest city in America. Some good info-- http://www.bouldercoloradousa.com/media ... kit/facts/.

I don't know about Berkeley. Had a friend go there for grad school and took a couple visits-- seems like a great place. I'm not sure that Berkeley is as health/enviro conscious though (although both places are clearly very progessive), and I know you would have to travel much further for rafting and skiing.

Lastly, your question is misplaced because on TLS 90% of the people care far, far more about employment statistics than quality of life. Going to CU is a great way to become a DA, PD, City Attorney, or into many other jobs that most here would turn up their noses to. With those numbers and a good Why CU-Boulder essay, you would assuredly get a full-ride. Even without a full-ride, there are loan forgiveness and payment plans. No one on here would ever recommend them, but almost no one on this site would feel comfortable living on 35k-50k. You sound like you've realized you can be very happy on such a salary, so I don't recommend you pay much attention to this website. GL.
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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby WhiteyCakes » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:35 pm

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:The fact that you don't want big law makes this the first time I've ever recommended my school on TLS.

CU-Boulder hands down for everything you've mentioned. You can walk out the front door of the law school and hike the flatirons. Check out some pics-- http://www.colorado.edu (scroll all the way down to check out a nice shot of the campus). The culture here is very "outdoors." We are within an hour of great skiing, rafting, camping, you name it. Boulder constantly ranks as the healthiest city in America. Some good info-- http://www.bouldercoloradousa.com/media ... kit/facts/.

I don't know about Berkeley. Had a friend go there for grad school and took a couple visits-- seems like a great place. I'm not sure that Berkeley is as health/enviro conscious though (although both places are clearly very progessive), and I know you would have to travel much further for rafting and skiing.

Lastly, your question is misplaced because on TLS 90% of the people care far, far more about employment statistics than quality of life. Going to CU is a great way to become a DA, PD, City Attorney, or into many other jobs that most here would turn up their noses to. With those numbers and a good Why CU-Bouder essay, you would assuredly get a full-ride. Even without a full-ride, there are loan forgiveness and payment plans. No one on here would ever recommend them, but almost no one on this site would feel comfortable living on 35k-50k. You sound like you've realized you can be very happy on such a salary, so I don't recommend you pay much attention to this website. GL.


+1 for the bold recommendation

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby Rahviveh » Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:00 pm

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:The fact that you don't want big law makes this the first time I've ever recommended my school on TLS.

CU-Boulder hands down for everything you've mentioned. You can walk out the front door of the law school and hike the flatirons. Check out some pics-- http://www.colorado.edu (scroll all the way down to check out a nice shot of the campus). The culture here is very "outdoors." We are within an hour of great skiing, rafting, camping, you name it. Boulder constantly ranks as the healthiest city in America. Some good info-- http://www.bouldercoloradousa.com/media ... kit/facts/.

I don't know about Berkeley. Had a friend go there for grad school and took a couple visits-- seems like a great place. I'm not sure that Berkeley is as health/enviro conscious though (although both places are clearly very progessive), and I know you would have to travel much further for rafting and skiing.

Lastly, your question is misplaced because on TLS 90% of the people care far, far more about employment statistics than quality of life. Going to CU is a great way to become a DA, PD, City Attorney, or into many other jobs that most here would turn up their noses to. With those numbers and a good Why CU-Boulder essay, you would assuredly get a full-ride. Even without a full-ride, there are loan forgiveness and payment plans. No one on here would ever recommend them, but almost no one on this site would feel comfortable living on 35k-50k. You sound like you've realized you can be very happy on such a salary, so I don't recommend you pay much attention to this website. GL.


OP don't listen to this person. Nearly half of the CU Boulder C/O 2011 didn't get FT long-term legal work. I wouldn't go there even if they gave me a full ride.

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:04 pm

ChampagnePapi wrote:
Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:The fact that you don't want big law makes this the first time I've ever recommended my school on TLS.

CU-Boulder hands down for everything you've mentioned. You can walk out the front door of the law school and hike the flatirons. Check out some pics-- http://www.colorado.edu (scroll all the way down to check out a nice shot of the campus). The culture here is very "outdoors." We are within an hour of great skiing, rafting, camping, you name it. Boulder constantly ranks as the healthiest city in America. Some good info-- http://www.bouldercoloradousa.com/media ... kit/facts/.

I don't know about Berkeley. Had a friend go there for grad school and took a couple visits-- seems like a great place. I'm not sure that Berkeley is as health/enviro conscious though (although both places are clearly very progessive), and I know you would have to travel much further for rafting and skiing.

Lastly, your question is misplaced because on TLS 90% of the people care far, far more about employment statistics than quality of life. Going to CU is a great way to become a DA, PD, City Attorney, or into many other jobs that most here would turn up their noses to. With those numbers and a good Why CU-Boulder essay, you would assuredly get a full-ride. Even without a full-ride, there are loan forgiveness and payment plans. No one on here would ever recommend them, but almost no one on this site would feel comfortable living on 35k-50k. You sound like you've realized you can be very happy on such a salary, so I don't recommend you pay much attention to this website. GL.


OP don't listen to this person. Nearly half of the CU Boulder C/O 2011 didn't get FT long-term legal work. I wouldn't go there even if they gave me a full ride.


Obviously didn't understand the gist of the post..

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby nickb285 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:14 pm

OP, if Lord Randolph's post was more your speed (not biglaw, fine with a low salary, no need for preftige), Utah's another one you could toss an application to and see what sort of money they'll give you. Assuming they don't put you on a waitlist for YP, you could very well get most if not all of your school paid for, and outdoor recreation is massive here. That said, while Utah's employment numbers aren't hideously bad, they also aren't anything like what you might see at some of the schools you could get into with those numbers.

I would say blanket the T14, apply to a couple lower T1 schools like Utah and Colorado that have some of the lifestyle you're looking for, and see what you can get from each school. A free degree from Colorado might beat an expensive one from HLS if it's more of the lifestyle you're looking for, but that's a decision you'll have to make after you see what your offers are.

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby Real Madrid » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:46 pm

Uh, Berkeley. Surfing and hiking are both very close and Lake Tahoe is like three hours away I think? There's a bus that picks people up in SF and Berkeley and takes them to Lake Tahoe resorts early in the morning and brings them back late at night for a full day of skiing and it only costs a tad more than a normal lift pass.

Also, Napa Valley, Yosemite, etc.

It's really no contest. Other than Stanford, which is similar in distance to most of this stuff, no T14 comes close.

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby Funkycrime » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:58 pm

Columbia.

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby hazelb » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:24 pm

Thanks for all the feedback. There's a lot of useful stuff here that I obviously need to weigh - short-term of maintaining current lifestyle to sustain me thru law school vs. long-term of where the degree takes me. Admittedly, I don't really know what kind of law I want to practice. Sounds like some years in big law is inevitable, even if I don't want decades of wearing a suit and going to work in a 35 story glass box.

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby izy223 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:25 am

hazelb wrote:Thanks for all the feedback. There's a lot of useful stuff here that I obviously need to weigh - short-term of maintaining current lifestyle to sustain me thru law school vs. long-term of where the degree takes me. Admittedly, I don't really know what kind of law I want to practice. Sounds like some years in big law is inevitable, even if I don't want decades of wearing a suit and going to work in a 35 story glass box.


if your looking for like minded people im a 1L in NYU now and i can tell you im a minority who admits to wanting biglaw. It seems like everyone in my section (at least those who talk about post law school) all want PI.

Also as a brooklynite my whole life if your willing to bus or drive 2-3 hours you can do almost anything outdoors while still living in NYC

ETA if you need campus life or are not willing to live in NY/east coast post law school forget everything i just posted :)

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Re: Tier 1 - where do outdoors people go?

Postby Gagnam Style » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:56 pm

Boalt and Duke ftw!!




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