BruceWayne wrote:The problem with the bolded is that 3.2 Penn and 3.2 UVA will be the same for NYC firms, but UVA will put the person from the South in a good position for interviewing with Southern firms (in places like Birmingham, Charlotte, Florida, Nashville etc. and small non nlj firms in Atlanta). Penn's advantage is going to come into play for people above the median in regards to NYC biglaw over UVA. Those big V10's like Penn and will give more leeway to above median at Penn as opposed to UVA (i.e they might hire a top 40 percent Penn but not that same ranking at UVA). But once GPAs get below the median they aren't taking you from either of these schools. And the reality is that there aren't "scores of non NLJ corporate firms" in NYC that would kill for a Penn grad. ITE any firm paying a substantial salary in a major city can easily get Penn, NYU, Duke, UVA, NU etc. grads. Things are that bad. And honestly there aren't really many non nlj Atlanta firms dying for UVA grads either. Things just aren't like that anymore.
I think the issue is you know how UVA is treated in NYC, and you are wrongly assuming that Penn is treated the same way there. Penn is an NYC feeder, and UVA is not. More specifically, the overwhelming majority of Penn's NLJ placement is in NYC, while less than 25% of UVA's NLJ placement is in NYC (given the percentage of the class that ends up in NYC). This translates to NYC firms conveying more interview/call back/employment offers, percent of the total class wise, to Penn students than to UVA students.
Why is that relevant? It's relevant in explaining why median Penn kids get NLJ firms in NYC and UVA students seem to not fare as well there.
It's difficult to explain the relevancy without comparing T14s with large local go-to markets (NY, CA, and IL) than those without them. As you may have noticed from the ABA employment summary reports, some T14s feed into one or two large markets (usually NY only or NY + either CA or IL) and then the remainder of their graduates spread out. Other T14s, in contrast, spread their students out from the gate and they don't really primarily feed into one or two large markets.
T14s that feed into one or two large markets enjoy significant benefits. First and foremost, there are a lot more opportunities in the large markets. Second, the largest local NLJ firms in these large markets allocate significant slots in the summer programs to the local school(s). Third, almost all of the midsize, smaller, and satellite local NLJ firms in these large markets anticipate hiring at least a few graduates from the local school(s). Fourth, due to the relatively high demand for graduates of schools that feed into these large markets, many NLJ firms in these large markets are willing to hire people with lower GPA's due to the competition for these students (and being faced with hiring students from "lesser" schools). There are other reasons, such as a alumni networks and call back allocations, but I'm not going into them here.
Those benefits above translate as to why many NYC firms will hire median and below kids from Penn while not hiring as low from UVA - Penn is feeder for NYC while UVA is not. That's not to say UVA is not an outstanding school; it's just not an NYC/CA/IL feeder. Further, UVA spreads its students out from the gate (which is fine), but that means that UVA does not really have a large local market in which its graduates are in high enough demand that their grades wouldn't matter that much (which forces a lot of the class to seek small secondary markets).
Does that make sense?