American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby jamie3 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:44 am

sambeber wrote:
jamie3 wrote: I really want to wait another year, but I know doing so will cost me more in the end.


Can you explain how you came to this conclusion? I think it's really going to cost you more in the end, from a big-picture perspective, to go this year.



Yes, I am risking growing my debt because of the financial situation I have here. I am sure it will get out of hand and I will hit bankruptcy, before I do, I am hoping to get into law school, since I fear bankruptcy will ruin my chances.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby flem » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:48 am

jamie3 wrote:Yes, I am risking growing my debt because of the financial situation I have here. I am sure it will get out of hand and I will hit bankruptcy, before I do, I am hoping to get into law school, since I fear bankruptcy will ruin my chances.


1) Elaborate
2) The nifty thing about your fucked up situation now is you can discharge your debt through bankruptcy, but you can't do the same with 200K of student loans.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby Samara » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:48 am

jamie3 wrote:
sambeber wrote:
jamie3 wrote: I really want to wait another year, but I know doing so will cost me more in the end.


Can you explain how you came to this conclusion? I think it's really going to cost you more in the end, from a big-picture perspective, to go this year.



Yes, I am risking growing my debt because of the financial situation I have here. I am sure it will get out of hand and I will hit bankruptcy, before I do, I am hoping to get into law school, since I fear bankruptcy will ruin my chances.

Have you been approved for government loans for this year? Do you have a job? I'm unclear on how you'll be able to avoid bankruptcy by taking on more debt.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:51 am

Beg Columbia for admission.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby jamie3 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:53 am

CanadianWolf wrote:Beg Columbia for admission.


I have done this, but so far nothing.



I fixed my debt situation, but if something bad happens here, the debt situation will balloon quickly. I do have government loans and scholarships. I will use that to fund the school.

Wanted to reiterate, that yes if I do go into bankruptcy now, I can discharge the debt, but it will cause more problems too, I might lose everything, which I fear would be harder than the alternative debt load of law school.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:58 am

What category of URM ?

A 3.63/163 URM should have more than one Top 14 law school acceptance--assuming that your use of the term "URM" is correct with respect to law school admissions.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby jamie3 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:50 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:What category of URM ?

A 3.63/163 URM should have more than one Top 14 law school acceptance--assuming that your use of the term "URM" is correct with respect to law school admissions.



I am pretty much not sure, but I don't want to elaborate too much on my URM status. I believe I am slightly URM but not all the way. Anyways, I only applied to Yale, and Columbia, each rather late. Yale denied me, but Columbia reserve listed me. I believe they completed my application in late March. Anyways, hopefully I will here back from them.

My regret this cycle was applying late, and not applying to all the Top 14 schools.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:57 pm

Reapply next application cycle to all T-14 law schools except Yale since you were rejected by Yale this cycle. You may have received little or no scholarship money from American, L&C, and Indiana because they assumed that you would be attending a T-14 law school if you are a URM with a 3.63/163.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby jamie3 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:16 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:Reapply next application cycle to all T-14 law schools except Yale since you were rejected by Yale this cycle. You may have received little or no scholarship money from American, L&C, and Indiana because they assumed that you would be attending a T-14 law school if you are a URM with a 3.63/163.



Oh, wow, I had not even consider that as being a possibility. I am considering next cycle, since I could most likely end up in a top 14.

But without even considering this, right now I am trying to decide whether to believe anything American has told me. I will also have to consider Lewis and Clark for a small while.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby sambeber » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:18 pm

jamie3 wrote:I believe I am slightly URM but not all the way.


What is this I don't even...

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby flem » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:23 pm

Wait, you're a 3.5/16X/URM and this is what you have?

For fucks sake you don't even have to retake the LSAT. Enjoy the T14 next year, just apply early.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby jamie3 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:24 pm

sambeber wrote:
jamie3 wrote:I believe I am slightly URM but not all the way.


What is this I don't even...


I mean, I am mixed.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby ze2151 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:26 pm

oh sweet lord. i don't know what's happening here.

op- please don't go to any of those schools.

and today, paul campos over at insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com has a nice little feature on the perils of going to COLUMBIA at sticker. how much worse would it be to go to the options you've listed?

rules to live by:
1. every school at sticker is a bad idea. (oh hush, TLS, HYS are bad bets if you're going to have 300k in debt at the end)
2. every school with an employment score under 60 on LST is a terrible idea.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby sambeber » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:27 pm

jamie3 wrote:
sambeber wrote:
jamie3 wrote:I believe I am slightly URM but not all the way.


What is this I don't even...


I mean, I am mixed.


You're probably going to need to go into more detail about your background to get an accurate assessment here. Not all URM's are created equal.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby flem » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:30 pm

jamie3 wrote:I mean, I am mixed.


If you're NA/AA/MA/PR then you're good

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby jamie3 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:31 pm

flem wrote:Wait, you're a 3.5/16X/URM and this is what you have?

For fucks sake you don't even have to retake the LSAT. Enjoy the T14 next year, just apply early.



Yes, I know my chances are good, so I am tempted to wait. Columbia even told me I was highly qualified for their program, so I am considering this option. However, for now, I will continue to check out the options I have now, in case waiting is not possible.

I am leaning towards Portland, if I have no chance to wait.

Also thanks for the information Ze2151.

The only reason I even considered American was because of the top law school posting about the school that referred to it as having a National status, also I was thinking mentioning to people that I was a DC lawyer would have a greater impact than saying I am a Portland Lawyer, but I think I am wrong, because I think I can be a DC lawyer as long as I make it to DC.


Also I am Asian/PR

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby Wakelaw15 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:47 pm

jamie3 wrote:
flem wrote:Wait, you're a 3.5/16X/URM and this is what you have?

For fucks sake you don't even have to retake the LSAT. Enjoy the T14 next year, just apply early.



Yes, I know my chances are good, so I am tempted to wait. Columbia even told me I was highly qualified for their program, so I am considering this option. However, for now, I will continue to check out the options I have now, in case waiting is not possible.

I am leaning towards Portland, if I have no chance to wait.

Also thanks for the information Ze2151.

The only reason I even considered American was because of the top law school posting about the school that referred to it as having a National status, also I was thinking mentioning to people that I was a DC lawyer would have a greater impact than saying I am a Portland Lawyer, but I think I am wrong, because I think I can be a DC lawyer as long as I make it to DC.


Also I am Asian/PR


wow, I thought the OP was a troll until I got to this part. TLS should really either heavily revise their LS profiles or take them down, because I agree they are misleading.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby Nova » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:55 pm

jamie3 wrote:But without even considering this, right now I am trying to decide whether to believe anything American has told me. I will also have to consider Lewis and Clark for a small while.


jamie3 wrote:The only reason I even considered American was because of the top law school posting about the school that referred to it as having a National status, also I was thinking mentioning to people that I was a DC lawyer would have a greater impact than saying I am a Portland Lawyer, but I think I am wrong, because I think I can be a DC lawyer as long as I make it to DC.



Seriously? Everyone here has told you the truth. About 2 out of 3 American grads WILL NEVER PRACTICE LAW. THE ONES THAT DO GET JOBS WILL LIKELY NEVER BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR DEBT BACK. IT IS A SCAM.

If you attend any of these schools this year after what the posters ITT have told you, then you deserve to drown in debt and live in financial ruin.
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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby top30man » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:57 pm

Nova wrote:
jamie3 wrote:But without even considering this, right now I am trying to decide whether to believe anything American has told me. I will also have to consider Lewis and Clark for a small while.


Seriously? Everyone here has told you the truth. About 2 out of 3 American grads WILL NEVER PRACTICE LAW. THE ONES THAT DO GET JOBS GET WILL LIKELY NEVER BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR DEBT BACK. IT IS A SCAM.

If you attend any of these schools this year after what the posters ITT have told you, then you deserve to drown in debt and live in financial ruin.

Harsh, but yeah. OP, or anyone, has no business with these schools for these prices.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:17 pm

As a Puerto Rican/ Asian mix, you should be admitted to more than one T-14 law school with a 163/3.63. Reapply early next cycle & expect much better results. Do not apply beyond the top 18 law schools unless seeking a large scholarship from a regional law school which places well in your targeted region.

P.S. Enjoy Cornell ! Or Michigan, Penn, Virginia, etc.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby jamie3 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:38 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:As a Puerto Rican/ Asian mix, you should be admitted to more than one T-14 law school with a 163/3.63. Reapply early next cycle & expect much better results. Do not apply beyond the top 18 law schools unless seeking a large scholarship from a regional law school which places well in your targeted region.

P.S. Enjoy Cornell ! Or Michigan, Penn, Virginia, etc.



Thank you

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby SaintsTheMetal » Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:49 pm

Wakelaw15 wrote:TLS should really either heavily revise their LS profiles or take them down, because I agree they are misleading.


+1. those things are fucking terrible. They make Golden Gate, likely the law school with the WORST likely return on your money, sound like a decent school to go to. The owner of TLS must get some kind of kickback money for having that shit posted...on the first google result for most all law school related searches no less.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby Samara » Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:55 pm

SaintsTheMetal wrote:
Wakelaw15 wrote:TLS should really either heavily revise their LS profiles or take them down, because I agree they are misleading.


+1. those things are fucking terrible. They make Golden Gate, likely the law school with the WORST likely return on your money, sound like a decent school to go to. The owner of TLS must get some kind of kickback money for having that shit posted...on the first google result for most all law school related searches no less.

Haha, slow down there, friend. The reason why they are so inaccurate in tone is because they were written in the freewheeling days of pre-ITE. Employment outcomes have changed dramatically since the crash.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby afitouri » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:04 pm

I'm a native Oregonian, and I can say that Lewis and Clark is huge here, people recognize it more than Mich Ann Arbor or Northwestern. BUT!

I've never met anyone outside of Oregon and Washington who has ever even heard of it. Cali has Berkeley, UCLA, Stanford, Davis, USC, all ranked ahead of Lewis and Clark. Plus, rumor has it that the Cali bar exam is tough for people who did not go to school in Cali. So if you want to work there, go to school there.

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Re: American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow

Postby afitouri » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:08 pm

jamie3 wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:As a Puerto Rican/ Asian mix, you should be admitted to more than one T-14 law school with a 163/3.63. Reapply early next cycle & expect much better results. Do not apply beyond the top 18 law schools unless seeking a large scholarship from a regional law school which places well in your targeted region.

P.S. Enjoy Cornell ! Or Michigan, Penn, Virginia, etc.



Thank you


This is a bit of an exaggeration. Better stated that you have a *chance* at these big schools. But, more importantly, if you're thinking about DC with these numbers you can almost certainly get into GW and maybe Georgetown.




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