Higher Ranking is not always better
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:58 pm
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josemnz83 wrote:I could keep my job and do law part time basis.
What do you mean by "practice immigration law"? Hang up your own shingle? If so, that's very hard to do straight out of law school, and it will require a lot of money for start up (plus expect to be in the red for at least the first year or two or three, just like you would with other businesses). Trying to do this part time does not seem realistic at all. You will not build a book of business by only being open 3 months of the year.josemnz83 wrote:I want to get law degree to practice immigration law. I could keep my job and do law part time basis. I also get 3 months off during the summer from my full time job so I could supplement my income practicing immigration law. Once I establish a reputation I could do it full time.
UH does have a good immigration law reputation so that is a + for the school.
You shouldn't think of it like that. 25% of the incoming class will be at the top. At orientation, no one has earned that spot. You gotta go get it and want it more than the rest!josemnz83 wrote:However only 25% of students are able to be at the top.
lol just lolBallHog wrote:You shouldn't think of it like that. 25% of the incoming class will be at the top. At orientation, no one has earned that spot. You gotta go get it and want it more than the rest!josemnz83 wrote:However only 25% of students are able to be at the top.
Seriously. "You gotta ... want it more than the rest!" Is that a joke? Ballhog -- YOU shouldn't think of it like that.vpintz wrote:lol just lolBallHog wrote:You shouldn't think of it like that. 25% of the incoming class will be at the top. At orientation, no one has earned that spot. You gotta go get it and want it more than the rest!josemnz83 wrote:However only 25% of students are able to be at the top.
again...lol just lolBallHog wrote:Basically my point was top 25% is there for the taking and no one has an innate right to it, so to cast doubt in your own ability to achieve that ranking is shooting yourself in the foot.
Simple motivational words... guess i'll go crawl into my hole again...
Alright, care to explain?vpintz wrote:again...lol just lolBallHog wrote:Basically my point was top 25% is there for the taking and no one has an innate right to it, so to cast doubt in your own ability to achieve that ranking is shooting yourself in the foot.
Simple motivational words... guess i'll go crawl into my hole again...
By using your logic and that of the WSJ article, do you think that St. Mary's has "better overall prospects" than UT? I hope you see the issue of using these statistics that someone in this thread has already pointed out are likely self-reported by the schools and thus very unreliable.josemnz83 wrote:I'm in the middle of taking PT 56. Just checked in to see how conversation was going
I agree Ballhog that one should aim to achieve greatness but one should also have a backup plan. Fact is that most of us go into law school so that we can get a job upon graduation and statistics show that such prospects are low for both T1 and T4 schools. They also show that there are some T4 schools who have (for a myriad of reasons: location, less competitiion, etc) better overall prospects than some T1 schools.
See Wall Street Journal Article below:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 58142.html
Obviously the calibar of jobs available to UT grads are in a different leauge than StM grads. The numbers given in the article are not unreliable though. They are the same as the data on LST.ambiTTTTion wrote:By using your logic and that of the WSJ article, do you think that St. Mary's has "better overall prospects" than UT? I hope you see the issue of using these statistics that someone in this thread has already pointed out are likely self-reported by the schools and thus very unreliable.josemnz83 wrote:I'm in the middle of taking PT 56. Just checked in to see how conversation was going
I agree Ballhog that one should aim to achieve greatness but one should also have a backup plan. Fact is that most of us go into law school so that we can get a job upon graduation and statistics show that such prospects are low for both T1 and T4 schools. They also show that there are some T4 schools who have (for a myriad of reasons: location, less competitiion, etc) better overall prospects than some T1 schools.
See Wall Street Journal Article below:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 58142.html
LST; StM wrote:•78.3% of graduates were known to be employed in long-term, full-time legal jobs. This figure includes no school-funded jobs..
•88% graduates were employed in long-term jobs.
•88.4% graduates were employed in full-time jobs.
Going to school and working is one thing. One can always come before the other. If you blow off class to stay at work it only hurts you.josemnz83 wrote:I actually know plenty of UT and SMU grads who are unemployed. The statistics presented in the WSJ, as Nova points out, are not any more unreliable than those on T1 school websites.
As for been able to go to law school part time and teaching: its certainly doable. There are other professionals with even more demanding careers who attend school part time.
Anyway I just finished taking PT 56 and scored a 163!!!!!! This is the highest score for me thus far!
From what I can tell, OP plans on teaching while enrolling as a part-time student, not teaching and practicing law at the same time. I assume he will choose either law or education for a full-time career after law school, not working in both fields simultaneously. Or maybe my RC skills are garbage and I'm completely misunderstanding OP's intentions.timbs4339 wrote:Going to school and working is one thing. One can always come before the other. If you blow off class to stay at work it only hurts you.josemnz83 wrote:I actually know plenty of UT and SMU grads who are unemployed. The statistics presented in the WSJ, as Nova points out, are not any more unreliable than those on T1 school websites.
As for been able to go to law school part time and teaching: its certainly doable. There are other professionals with even more demanding careers who attend school part time.
Anyway I just finished taking PT 56 and scored a 163!!!!!! This is the highest score for me thus far!
But working two jobs at once, where both could require you to devote your full time to a group of people is a different story. Client matters are not going to neatly arrange themselves around your work schedule. If you work as a legal researcher part-time that might be the way to do it, but you cannot represent clients.
LaMuSayonga wrote:From what I can tell, OP plans on teaching while enrolling as a part-time student, not teaching and practicing law at the same time. I assume he will choose either law or education for a full-time career after law school, not working in both fields simultaneously. Or maybe my RC skills are garbage and I'm completely misunderstanding OP's intentions.timbs4339 wrote:Going to school and working is one thing. One can always come before the other. If you blow off class to stay at work it only hurts you.josemnz83 wrote:I actually know plenty of UT and SMU grads who are unemployed. The statistics presented in the WSJ, as Nova points out, are not any more unreliable than those on T1 school websites.
As for been able to go to law school part time and teaching: its certainly doable. There are other professionals with even more demanding careers who attend school part time.
Anyway I just finished taking PT 56 and scored a 163!!!!!! This is the highest score for me thus far!
But working two jobs at once, where both could require you to devote your full time to a group of people is a different story. Client matters are not going to neatly arrange themselves around your work schedule. If you work as a legal researcher part-time that might be the way to do it, but you cannot represent clients.
OP, if I were you, I would choose UH. St. Mary's does have pretty good job stats for a T4, but I get the sense that much better job options are available to UH grads (at least those at or near the top of the class). Then again, I'm not exactly familiar with the market for immigration lawyers. If your grades aren't stellar after your first year, you can always drop out and resume your education career full-time.
OP wrote:I want to get law degree to practice immigration law. I could keep my job and do law part time basis. I also get 3 months off during the summer from my full time job so I could supplement my income practicing immigration law. Once I establish a reputation I could do it full time.
UH does have a good immigration law reputation so that is a + for the school.