Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby KevinP » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:52 am

BoGuaGua wrote:UC Hastings/Davis/Irvine/LA please guys?


UCLA (#15): 168 (0), 3.78 (0), 309 (-11, -3.44%)
UC Davis (#29): 163 (-1), 3.6 (-.03), 191 (-1, -0.52%)
UC Hastings (#44): 162 (0), 3.59 (-.01), 317 (-97, -23.4%)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby sunynp » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:58 am

Wakelaw15 wrote:haha. The reasoning in this page of the thread is so poor. If you can show me one thread like this on TLS which is complete (all schools and all data) I will be STUNNED. otherwise, recognize that the point is the headnote has a ton of info updated periodically and if you want to know about a particular school use the search function or read the thread.

btw, in other news, i'm starting to doubt that WFU kept their medians since they updated the class profile page with class of 2015 class size information but left class of 2014 gpa/lsat info.

Doesn't KevinP have a thread that he started before yours? I'm sure someone can take this over because is important and you obviously are willing to give it up.
So don't worry about it anymore OP, it isn't your problem.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:51 am

LSU

Enrolled: "Approx. 200" ~(-36)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Wakelaw15 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:45 am

sunynp wrote:
Wakelaw15 wrote:haha. The reasoning in this page of the thread is so poor. If you can show me one thread like this on TLS which is complete (all schools and all data) I will be STUNNED. otherwise, recognize that the point is the headnote has a ton of info updated periodically and if you want to know about a particular school use the search function or read the thread.

btw, in other news, i'm starting to doubt that WFU kept their medians since they updated the class profile page with class of 2015 class size information but left class of 2014 gpa/lsat info.

Doesn't KevinP have a thread that he started before yours? I'm sure someone can take this over because is important and you obviously are willing to give it up.
So don't worry about it anymore OP, it isn't your problem.


The thread was updated yesterday. It now contains class size information for 1/3 of the accredited schools in the U.S. I will continue to keep it up to date. My point was that if I can't do it for a couple days, it is incredible to rant and rave. Either read the thread, use the search function, or go to google. This thread was created seven weeks ago and has 30,000 views so I assume people have found it useful.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby sunynp » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:13 am

Wakelaw15 wrote:
sunynp wrote:
Wakelaw15 wrote:haha. The reasoning in this page of the thread is so poor. If you can show me one thread like this on TLS which is complete (all schools and all data) I will be STUNNED. otherwise, recognize that the point is the headnote has a ton of info updated periodically and if you want to know about a particular school use the search function or read the thread.

btw, in other news, i'm starting to doubt that WFU kept their medians since they updated the class profile page with class of 2015 class size information but left class of 2014 gpa/lsat info.

Doesn't KevinP have a thread that he started before yours? I'm sure someone can take this over because is important and you obviously are willing to give it up.
So don't worry about it anymore OP, it isn't your problem.


The thread was updated yesterday. It now contains class size information for 1/3 of the accredited schools in the U.S. I will continue to keep it up to date. My point was that if I can't do it for a couple days, it is incredible to rant and rave. Either read the thread, use the search function, or go to google. This thread was created seven weeks ago and has 30,000 views so I assume people have found it useful.


Sorry I thought you meant you were finished with the thread. It is very useful.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Foreigner_Rocks » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:41 am

University of Chicago: No clue on #'s, but class size is 184, down from 191 last year.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby TheRedMamba » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:52 am

KevinP wrote:
BoGuaGua wrote:UC Hastings/Davis/Irvine/LA please guys?


UCLA (#15): 168 (0), 3.78 (0), 309 (-11, -3.44%)
UC Davis (#29): 163 (-1), 3.6 (-.03), 191 (-1, -0.52%)
UC Hastings (#44): 162 (0), 3.59 (-.01), 317 (-97, -23.4%)

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big drop in enrollment at Hastings, have we seen a drop that big thus far?

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:29 pm

Cooley dropped over 400 1Ls last year. Man, the investors could not have been happy about that. They are reportedly down a couple hundred more this year.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby dissonance1848 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:34 pm

I just hope this thread doesn't encourage some gamblers to go to law school because of the marginally improved situation.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby EvilClinton » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:36 pm

TheRedMamba wrote:big drop in enrollment at Hastings, have we seen a drop that big thus far?

They need to drop enrollment even more. They can't expect to place 300 students in jobs in one of toughest legal markets in the country. Not to mention that the cost of attendance is 74k per year.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Wakelaw15 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:39 pm

dissonance1848 wrote:I just hope this thread doesn't encourage some gamblers to go to law school because of the marginally improved situation.


based on the numbers, it looks like there will still be a gap of about 15,000 students per year between the # of graduates and # of law jobs. It doesn't make it a great bet by any means, but the situation is improving at least.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:53 pm

dissonance1848 wrote:I just hope this thread doesn't encourage some gamblers to go to law school because of the marginally improved situation.


Yeah, there are still too many people aTTTending (always wanted to do that).

That a couple of terrible schools have taken in more 1Ls this year than last by reducing their already-low standards is particularly discouraging. And I'm not sure what anyone can do to prevent people from attending the very worst schools. I feel like TLS, the scamblogs, and other media coverage have definitely reached a broad audience, but I think most of the people dissuaded by these sources are ironically better-credentialed and perhaps more likely to succeed in law school than those who have either ignored everything or not bothered to seek the information out in the first place.

But all these people taking the plunge at Barry and NESL (The LSAT: Can't wrestle it?...NESL it). Are they even reachable?? And even if they are, all the schools have to do (as evinced ITT) is drop their standards even more. I mean "Barry." I just - it's a dude's first name. And it's a creepy name. Barry is the guy you are surprised found someone to marry him. What's next, TTTodd?

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby HarlandBassett » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:04 pm

justonemoregame wrote:I mean "Barry." I just - it's a dude's first name. And it's a creepy name. Barry is the guy you are surprised found someone to marry him.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:43 pm

besides him

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby WanderingPondering » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:47 pm

Don't think these were on here. Added to google doc

Temple:
161, 3.42, 253 enrolled

Kentucky:
158, 3.51, 138 enrolled

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby KevinP » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:00 pm

justonemoregame wrote:Cooley dropped over 400 1Ls last year. Man, the investors could not have been happy about that. They are reportedly down a couple hundred more this year.

Can't tell if sarcasm, but surprisingly Cooley is "non-profit" lulz.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:27 pm

Oops, I was thinking of the Infilaw Group that owns Florida Coastal and a couple of others, I think.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby KevinP » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:36 pm

justonemoregame wrote:Oops, I was thinking of the Infilaw Group that owns Florida Coastal and a couple of others, I think.

Looked into it and the InfiLaw also owns Charlotte law school and Phoenix law school (all for profits). One of the Phoenix board members was the ABA president.

What a disgusting system.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby KevinP » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:55 pm

TheRedMamba wrote:big drop in enrollment at Hastings, have we seen a drop that big thus far?

In terms of percentages, a few came close. One unranked had an even larger decline.

University of Georgia (#34): 164 (-1), 3.67 (+.08), 189 (-36, -16%)
George Mason (#39): 163 (-1), 3.7 (-.02), 147 (-39, -20.98%)
University of San Diego (#65): 160 (0), 3.5 (+.07), 247 (-53, -17.67%)
Seton Hall (#69): 158 (-1), 3.5 (0), 206 (-60, -22.56%)
Oregon (#82): 158 (-1), 3.33 (-.06), 147 (-36, -19.57%)
Charleston (#Unranked): 152 (0), 3.21 (+.08), (-77, -34.38%)

ETA: In terms of the T14, Columbia so far had the largest decline (9.36%), which I suspect was to keep their credentials in tact.

Because of the breakdown in LSAT scores, statistically one should expect LAST-preference schools at the top with large class sizes to be most affected (e.g. Columbia, NYU, Harvard, etc.). Since NYU/Harvard did not noticeably decrease their class size, their 25th GPA, 75th GPA, 25th LSAT, and 75th LSAT ALL declined. They haven't posted medians, but I would not be surprised if those fell as well.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby sunynp » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:49 pm

EvilClinton wrote:
TheRedMamba wrote:big drop in enrollment at Hastings, have we seen a drop that big thus far?

They need to drop enrollment even more. They can't expect to place 300 students in jobs in one of toughest legal markets in the country. Not to mention that the cost of attendance is 74k per year.


I remember feeling happy that Hastings was setting a good example until they raised tuition an unconscionable amount on the current students as well as the incoming class. So they made sure they had the same or increased revenue with less students. I feel they fucked over the 2nd and 3rd years who had no choice but to pay more.

I am very down on this school. I would nominate it for closure.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby VUSisterRayVU » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:56 pm

KevinP wrote:
TheRedMamba wrote:big drop in enrollment at Hastings, have we seen a drop that big thus far?

In terms of percentages, a few came close. One unranked had an even larger decline.

University of Georgia (#34): 164 (-1), 3.67 (+.08), 189 (-36, -16%)
George Mason (#39): 163 (-1), 3.7 (-.02), 147 (-39, -20.98%)
University of San Diego (#65): 160 (0), 3.5 (+.07), 247 (-53, -17.67%)
Seton Hall (#69): 158 (-1), 3.5 (0), 206 (-60, -22.56%)
Oregon (#82): 158 (-1), 3.33 (-.06), 147 (-36, -19.57%)
Charleston (#Unranked): 152 (0), 3.21 (+.08), (-77, -34.38%)

ETA: In terms of the T14, Columbia so far had the largest decline (9.36%), which I suspect was to keep their credentials in tact.

Because of the breakdown in LSAT scores, statistically one should expect LAST-preference schools at the top with large class sizes to be most affected (e.g. Columbia, NYU, Harvard, etc.). Since NYU/Harvard did not noticeably decrease their class size, their 25th GPA, 75th GPA, 25th LSAT, and 75th LSAT ALL declined. They haven't posted medians, but I would not be surprised if those fell as well.


Very much hoping those schools don't decrease class sizes this cycle D: D: D:

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:57 pm

Denver Law:

159 (0), 3.46 (-.04)

Class size 291 (-11)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby moonman157 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:06 pm

Can anyone speculate on the impacts that the smaller class sizes will have on employment from each individual school? Like,it will obviously be good, but will certain firms still refuse to take below-median Columbia students, or will that change with 36 fewer students?

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby EvilClinton » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:10 pm

moonman157 wrote:Can anyone speculate on the impacts that the smaller class sizes will have on employment from each individual school? Like,it will obviously be good, but will certain firms still refuse to take below-median Columbia students, or will that change with 36 fewer students?

No it won't change.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby VUSisterRayVU » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:34 pm

moonman157 wrote:Can anyone speculate on the impacts that the smaller class sizes will have on employment from each individual school? Like,it will obviously be good, but will certain firms still refuse to take below-median Columbia students, or will that change with 36 fewer students?


No difference. You'll just have slightly less people unemployed, probably.




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