Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby TheThriller » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:54 pm

with a talent like that I bet he's pretty good at other 1-handed activities

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby skers » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:34 am

TheThriller wrote:with a talent like that I bet he's pretty good at other 1-handed activities


The only conclusion of expanding that talent is broken penis.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby iMisto » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:16 am

I wasn't going to say anything, but I bet he's got a pretty big hand..

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby thelawyler » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:34 am

TemporarySaint wrote:
TheThriller wrote:with a talent like that I bet he's pretty good at other 1-handed activities


The only conclusion of expanding that talent is broken penis.


Well, that talent is not the only thing that could be expanding, if you know what i mean.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby jne381 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:56 am

This is an interesting thread. I suspect top schools remain about where they were in terms of LSAT and GPA, but the further you go down in the rankings, the more of a slide you will see, simply because of the drop in applications.

For the OP:

Michigan State College of Law LSat and GPA has remained the same at 157 and 3.54.

The upper quartile GPA dropped from 3.74 to 3.72, and the lower quartile raised from 3.22 to 3.24.

Certainly not the rise I was expecting based on the applications the school was getting, but at least there was no drop. It will be most interesting to see how other similarly ranked school do in comparison to MSU.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby jne381 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:44 am

Also, this thread is good in tracking the drop in admissions, but it doesn't tell a complete picture. Are the drops mostly because of lack of applications, or for other reasons. I guess you need to know how many apps were sent to a school and how many acceptances there were to see the admission rates and how they have changed. That is the magic number for rankings.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby ajax » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:50 am

jne381 wrote:This is an interesting thread. I suspect top schools remain about where they were in terms of LSAT and GPA, but the further you go down in the rankings, the more of a slide you will see, simply because of the drop in applications.

For the OP:

Michigan State College of Law LSat and GPA has remained the same at 157 and 3.54.

The upper quartile GPA dropped from 3.74 to 3.72, and the lower quartile raised from 3.22 to 3.24.

Certainly not the rise I was expecting based on the applications the school was getting, but at least there was no drop. It will be most interesting to see how other similarly ranked school do in comparison to MSU.


Looking more and more like MSU will be the number two school in the state of Michigan. Long, long, long way to go to get anywhere close to UM though.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby jne381 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:11 am

ajax wrote:Looking more and more like MSU will be the number two school in the state of Michigan. Long, long, long way to go to get anywhere close to UM though.


I don't think they will ever want to get to the level of UM, but I do think they want to probably get to the level of the rest of the big Ten Schools, probably in the mid-30's or so, but that will still take a while.

It will also take a while for higher rankings to translate into higher employment numbers, but it will come along. It is just a matter of time, and it is inevitable with the backing of a huge and nationally known university like Michigan State.

As for now, I would just like to see how there numbers are comparing to other schools ranked 60-90 to see if they will make another jump in rankings again, but it is probably hard to get all those numbers.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby ScratchableItch » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:59 am

Yale was just posted:

Class of 2015
170/173/176(-1)
3.84/3.90/3.94

Class size: 203 (-2)

http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/profile.htm

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby thelawyler » Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:28 pm

jne381 wrote:
ajax wrote:Looking more and more like MSU will be the number two school in the state of Michigan. Long, long, long way to go to get anywhere close to UM though.


I don't think they will ever want to get to the level of UM, but I do think they want to probably get to the level of the rest of the big Ten Schools, probably in the mid-30's or so, but that will still take a while.

It will also take a while for higher rankings to translate into higher employment numbers, but it will come along. It is just a matter of time, and it is inevitable with the backing of a huge and nationally known university like Michigan State.

As for now, I would just like to see how there numbers are comparing to other schools ranked 60-90 to see if they will make another jump in rankings again, but it is probably hard to get all those numbers.


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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:42 pm

jne381 wrote:
ajax wrote:Looking more and more like MSU will be the number two school in the state of Michigan. Long, long, long way to go to get anywhere close to UM though.


I don't think they will ever want to get to the level of UM, but I do think they want to probably get to the level of the rest of the big Ten Schools, probably in the mid-30's or so, but that will still take a while.

It will also take a while for higher rankings to translate into higher employment numbers, but it will come along. It is just a matter of time, and it is inevitable with the backing of a huge and nationally known university like Michigan State.

As for now, I would just like to see how there numbers are comparing to other schools ranked 60-90 to see if they will make another jump in rankings again, but it is probably hard to get all those numbers.


You just sort of said all this. Why is this true? There is a huge difference between attracting 157, 3.5 candidates and 165ish, 3.7 candidates. MSU is nowhere close to the second group of candidate. Yeah maybe with 30 years of determined effort, but until then it's all ridiculously speculation, with all due respect.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby VUSisterRayVU » Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:49 pm

jne381 wrote:Also, this thread is good in tracking the drop in admissions, but it doesn't tell a complete picture. Are the drops mostly because of lack of applications, or for other reasons. I guess you need to know how many apps were sent to a school and how many acceptances there were to see the admission rates and how they have changed. That is the magic number for rankings.


You don't need any of that information, really. People are still getting dinged from schools so it's not for lack of apps in general. You're gonna find which schools are prioritizing medians, tuition, etc. Admission rate really shouldn't have an impact on rankings because you just get schools to send out fee waivers, ding below median candidates, and claim high selectivity.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby UtilityMonster » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:26 pm

Columbia posted:

http://web.law.columbia.edu/admissions/ ... ss-profile

Class of 2015
170/172/174 (-1)
3.58/3.71/3.83 (+.01)

Class size: 368 (-29)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Bildungsroman » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:39 pm

jne381 wrote:
ajax wrote:Looking more and more like MSU will be the number two school in the state of Michigan. Long, long, long way to go to get anywhere close to UM though.


I don't think they will ever want to get to the level of UM, but I do think they want to probably get to the level of the rest of the big Ten Schools, probably in the mid-30's or so, but that will still take a while.

It will also take a while for higher rankings to translate into higher employment numbers, but it will come along. It is just a matter of time, and it is inevitable with the backing of a huge and nationally known university like Michigan State.

As for now, I would just like to see how there numbers are comparing to other schools ranked 60-90 to see if they will make another jump in rankings again, but it is probably hard to get all those numbers.

This is why Dickinson Law is such a national powerhouse.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby jne381 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:19 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:This is why Dickinson Law is such a national powerhouse.


They are in essentially the same boat as MSU. It will take time. I don't think it will take 30 years, but I sincerely think you will see my expectations met in 10-15 years.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby banjo » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:26 pm

Kionaltski wrote:Hey, I think Harvard's new numbers are out here http://www.law.harvard.edu/prospective/ ... ofile.html I think what we're seeing is good news for us applicants


ETA:
Harvard
170 (-1) 175 (-1)
3.77 (-0.01) 3.95 (-0.02)
557 (-2)
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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Swimp » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:48 pm

UtilityMonster wrote:Columbia posted:

http://web.law.columbia.edu/admissions/ ... ss-profile

Class of 2015
170/172/174 (-1)
3.58/3.71/3.83 (+.01)

Class size: 368 (-29)


75th %ile came down. I like it.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby KevinP » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:26 pm

banjo wrote:
Kionaltski wrote:Hey, I think Harvard's new numbers are out here http://www.law.harvard.edu/prospective/ ... ofile.html I think what we're seeing is good news for us applicants


ETA:
Harvard
170 (-1) 175 (-1)
3.77 (-0.01) 3.95 (-0.02)
557 (-2)

That LSAT split is exactly Columbia's last year. I wish Harvard would publish their medians... could it be possible that the LSAT dropped to 172?

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:57 am

Charleston School of Law:

152 (0) -- way to maintain
3.21 (+.08)

Posting this b/c of class size, which dropped from 224 to 147 (-34%)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:02 am

Univ. of Connecticut

159 (0)
3.45 (0)

enrolled: 151 (-30 or -19.8%)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:08 am

Albany:

152 (-1)
3.31 (0)

Enrolled: 202 (-33 or -13.1%)

Tuition and fees held strong at $42,675

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:16 am

North Carolina:

162 (-1)
3.5 (-.01)

Enrolled: 241 (-7 or -2.8%)

Oregon:

158 (-1)
3.33 (-.06)

Enrolled: 147 (-36 or -19.6%)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:20 am

Gonzaga:

155 (0)
3.27 (-.06)

Enrolled: 132 (-44 or -25%)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Bildungsroman » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:22 am

Rutgers - Newark: http://law.newark.rutgers.edu/about-school/quick-facts
25% / 75% GPA: 3.03 (-.03) / 3.46 (-.13)
25% / 75% LSAT: 155 (0) / 161 (+1)

226 enrolled (idk where to find how much this has changed. Also, this number includes both full-time and part-time students).

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:33 am

LST shows 224 enrolled for Rutgers-Newark last year, but I think they separate part-timers.




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