Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby rayiner » Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:48 pm

HarlandBassett wrote:
rayiner wrote:hasn't it been established that the WE requirement is a farce (e.g. starbucks barista experience is WE)


I think being a barista is actually great WE--at a minimum somebody had to interview you and decide to put you in a customer-facing position. That said, while such work experience has always counted, people with such jobs make up a negligible portion of the class. Not because NU necessarily doesn't take such people, but because there aren't very many such people to begin with. Who works as a barista for two years before going to law school? Those people who don't have other job options head to law school immediately.

NU's class is mostly full of "switchers." Lots of engineers, people who dropped out of PhD programs, people who worked at NGO's, some finance types, some consulting types, some sales types.

yea, i was being facetious.

also, since Van Zandt left, there was supposedly less emphasis on WE.[/quote]

I'm not sure how much is Van Zandt and how much is the market. With applications in decline, trying to maintain medians while also maintaining the work experience requirement just becomes tougher.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby iMisto » Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:45 pm

As a barista myself, I've had some great WE... I've developed FANFUCKINGTASTIC interpersonal skills, led top sales teams, been promoted, transfered across the country to test/develop a top-secret mode of operation, participated in training films, became a learning coach, worked on large-scale community outreach projects, networked with non-profits, put together store culture initiatives, and the list goes on..... I think it just depends on what you want to get out of your experiences. Of course, I've had to deal with very little pay and an incredibly high-pressure/stressful environment, but it pays the bills. :roll:

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby HBBJohnStamos » Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:32 pm

iMisto wrote:As a barista myself, I've had some great WE... I've developed FANFUCKINGTASTIC interpersonal skills, led top sales teams, been promoted, transfered across the country to test/develop a top-secret mode of operation, participated in training films, became a learning coach, worked on large-scale community outreach projects, networked with non-profits, put together store culture initiatives, and the list goes on..... I think it just depends on what you want to get out of your experiences. Of course, I've had to deal with very little pay and an incredibly high-pressure/stressful environment, but it pays the bills. :roll:


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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Tom Joad » Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:35 pm

It seems he thinks very highly of himself.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby TheThriller » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:24 pm

Anyone know GULC PT median?

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby iMisto » Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:54 pm

Just representing for those of us who be slingn' beans through college. 8)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby one_by_one » Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:40 pm

Just noticed the Penn viewbook (here -- https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/jd/viewbook.php -- the link was included in the fee waiver email) has 25/75 stats for the c/o 2015:

LSAT 164/171
GPA 3.56/3.94

Class size of 243 as of 8/20

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby VUSisterRayVU » Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:48 pm

one_by_one wrote:Just noticed the Penn viewbook (here -- https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/jd/viewbook.php -- the link was included in the fee waiver email) has 25/75 stats for the c/o 2015:

LSAT 164/171
GPA 3.56/3.94

Class size of 243 as of 8/20


Those LSAT medians and class size...

This is C/O 14
Enrolled 266
LSAT
75% = 171
25% = 166
GPA
75% = 3.93
25% = 3.58

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby ajr » Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:49 pm

one_by_one wrote:Just noticed the Penn viewbook (here -- https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/jd/viewbook.php -- the link was included in the fee waiver email) has 25/75 stats for the c/o 2015:

LSAT 164/171
GPA 3.56/3.94

Class size of 243 as of 8/20


Wow man, 2 point drop in the LSAT 25%.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby stillwater » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:03 pm

What this all adds up to is surely the apocalypse. Years hence your kids and grandkids will ask you, "do you remember where you were when the medians dropped"?

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby TheThriller » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:06 pm

And I will say "Yes"

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Mavraides87 » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:09 pm

I bet they keep 170 as a median though

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby HarlandBassett » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:34 pm

ajr wrote:
one_by_one wrote:Just noticed the Penn viewbook (here -- https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/jd/viewbook.php -- the link was included in the fee waiver email) has 25/75 stats for the c/o 2015:

LSAT 164/171
GPA 3.56/3.94

Class size of 243 as of 8/20


Wow man, 2 point drop in the LSAT 25%.

25%ile doesn't affect USN&WR ranking.

Median LSAT scores (0.125): The combined median scores on the Law School Admission Test of all full-time and part-time entrants to the J.D. program's 2011 entering class.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... l-rankings

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby bernaldiaz » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:37 pm

HarlandBassett wrote:
ajr wrote:
one_by_one wrote:Just noticed the Penn viewbook (here -- https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/jd/viewbook.php -- the link was included in the fee waiver email) has 25/75 stats for the c/o 2015:

LSAT 164/171
GPA 3.56/3.94

Class size of 243 as of 8/20


Wow man, 2 point drop in the LSAT 25%.

25%ile doesn't affect USN&WR ranking.

Median LSAT scores (0.125): The combined median scores on the Law School Admission Test of all full-time and part-time entrants to the J.D. program's 2011 entering class.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... l-rankings


Shit post bro. No one said that LSAT 25ths affect USNWR ranking, but it still shows a lot about admissions this year (as in a pronounced rise in reliance on splitters).

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby 2014 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:06 am

Idk their GPA 25th didn't drop. You could argue that they tried to admit a bunch of splitters, got high GPA/low LSAT biters but not vice versa (who were all getting into CCN in DROVES) and lost a point on the LSAT median.

It obviously remains to be seen, but if I were forced to put money on it I'd say they went to 169.
On the other hand if there were an unusually large amount of 3.5-3.6 170s, they weren't going to do better than Penn so maybe they weren't forced to dip into the heavier splits and did keep 170 in tact.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby altoid99 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:16 am

I wonder how Penn managed to increase their applicant number by ~800 when it looks like almost every other school's applicant numbers went down. Last year they had 5106 applications and this year, according to that viewbook, they had about 5900? Weird.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby VUSisterRayVU » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:24 am

2014 wrote:Idk their GPA 25th didn't drop. You could argue that they tried to admit a bunch of splitters, got high GPA/low LSAT biters but not vice versa (who were all getting into CCN in DROVES) and lost a point on the LSAT median.

It obviously remains to be seen, but if I were forced to put money on it I'd say they went to 169.
On the other hand if there were an unusually large amount of 3.5-3.6 170s, they weren't going to do better than Penn so maybe they weren't forced to dip into the heavier splits and did keep 170 in tact.


If their median is at 170, they would have had to rely heavily on 164-169 LSAT scores and probably 3.7+GPA to make up a decent amount of the class, correct? This would still hold true at 169, I think. Curious to know what the split is at V. I feel like MVP would be hit unusually hard in this cycle with medians approaching that of where the rest of the T14 was at last year?

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby 2014 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:24 am

The split at V is always huge because of their fascinating statistic whoring. When you have something like probably 10% of the nationwide pool of 170+ scores contractually locked up before other schools have started admitting anyone, it makes maintaining medians a different (read: easier) animal than for other schools.

Interested to see if UVA suffers this year as a result of CCN being slightly less competitive last year. 3.3/172s used to be UVAs bread and butter but without unique circumstances it is almost objectively stupid for those same people to pull the ED trigger this cycle.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby geary86 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:28 am

one_by_one wrote:Just noticed the Penn viewbook (here -- https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/jd/viewbook.php -- the link was included in the fee waiver email) has 25/75 stats for the c/o 2015:

LSAT 164/171
GPA 3.56/3.94

Class size of 243 as of 8/20


So.. mystery medians again, huh? :evil:
Hate schools that do this... (read: NYU and PENN)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby moonman157 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:07 am

Is it typical for a school to only release 25th/75th percentiles? Or are Penn and NYU perhaps only releasing that to hide a drop in median?

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby geary86 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:16 am

moonman157 wrote:Is it typical for a school to only release 25th/75th percentiles? Or are Penn and NYU perhaps only releasing that to hide a drop in median?


I'd like to think that they are trying to hide their 169(Penn) and 171(NYU)... 8)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby KevinP » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:09 am

moonman157 wrote:Is it typical for a school to only release 25th/75th percentiles? Or are Penn and NYU perhaps only releasing that to hide a drop in median?

Last year, Penn's viewbook and NYU's site both listed only the 25th/75th percentiles, so I wouldn't read too much into it.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Funkycrime » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:19 pm

2014 wrote:
Interested to see if UVA suffers this year as a result of CCN being slightly less competitive last year. 3.3/172s used to be UVAs bread and butter but without unique circumstances it is almost objectively stupid for those same people to pull the ED trigger this cycle.

ED trigger. I like it.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Huskies13! » Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:03 pm

What's the DEAL with UW?? I am dying here...

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby moonman157 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:07 pm

KevinP wrote:
moonman157 wrote:Is it typical for a school to only release 25th/75th percentiles? Or are Penn and NYU perhaps only releasing that to hide a drop in median?

Last year, Penn's viewbook and NYU's site both listed only the 25th/75th percentiles, so I wouldn't read too much into it.


Do you remember when they released medians?




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