Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby top30man » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:44 pm

MillerTheThriller wrote:ND's median is not 161

I think its their 25th

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby TheThriller » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:55 pm

top30man wrote:
MillerTheThriller wrote:ND's median is not 161

I think its their 25th


The OP has some 25% listed while other; their medians.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Real Madrid » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:05 am

I hate those programs that recruit undergrad students with high GPAs that don't have to take the LSAT, but I don't see why more schools don't do it. Pretty sure a dean could score a huge raise by the ranking boost it would bring about.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Wakelaw15 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:11 am

MillerTheThriller wrote:
top30man wrote:
MillerTheThriller wrote:ND's median is not 161

I think its their 25th


The OP has some 25% listed while other; their medians.


I removed it. All the information in this thread is generated from TLS members, unless I made a mistake when I input it.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:48 am

Real Madrid wrote:I hate those programs that recruit undergrad students with high GPAs that don't have to take the LSAT, but I don't see why more schools don't do it. Pretty sure a dean could score a huge raise by the ranking boost it would bring about.


I agree on both points. It's such an easy way to game the rankings, and it requires minimal effort.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:14 am

Aaaaaand Noww! The data Everyone has been waiting for! .....















SUNY Buffalo:

152 (-2) 156 (-1) 158 (0)

3.19 (-.17) 3.51 (-.06) 3.67 (-.03)

Entering class: 205 (+30)

Also of note:
In-state tuition and fees: + 9.19%
Out-of-state: +10.38%

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby HarlandBassett » Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:30 pm

justonemoregame wrote:Aaaaaand Noww! The data Everyone has been waiting for! .....
SUNY Buffalo:

152 (-2) 156 (-1) 158 (0)

3.19 (-.17) 3.51 (-.06) 3.67 (-.03)

Entering class: 205 (+30)

Also of note:
In-state tuition and fees: + 9.19%
Out-of-state: +10.38%

that actually makes sense in terms of supply and demand. as captain obvious will testify, LS tuition is more price sensitive now than ever.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby danquayle » Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:07 pm

HarlandBassett wrote:
justonemoregame wrote:Aaaaaand Noww! The data Everyone has been waiting for! .....
SUNY Buffalo:

152 (-2) 156 (-1) 158 (0)

3.19 (-.17) 3.51 (-.06) 3.67 (-.03)

Entering class: 205 (+30)

Also of note:
In-state tuition and fees: + 9.19%
Out-of-state: +10.38%

that actually makes sense in terms of supply and demand. as captain obvious will testify, LS tuition is more price sensitive now than ever.



Well, hopefully law schools keep jacking up tuition to make up the budget shortfalls from smaller classes, which further disincentivizes attendance, which creates a vicious (virtuous?) cycle that leads to the eventually demise of a good many law schools, which returns balance to the force.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:28 pm

I'm working on a comprehensive list of tuition increases since last year, which I will share with everyone when I am finished. One justification I keep noticing on law school websites is that X law school's price is competitive to other schools. Of course, in virtually every instance, the other school's price is exorbitant, so comparisons like this are silly. It's unfortunate that prices continue to go up in this climate, but I hope Quale is right - I hope they price themselves out of business.

Another aggravating thing - Boston University's Dean has a video on the admissions page in which she explains BU's response to the "crisis" in legal education. The first thing she mentions is something about BU showing some sort of restraint in its tuition increase. (So, we've responded by increasing tuition). And what she said isn't even true, it went up by 4%, which is a pretty standard bump.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Paul Campos » Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:55 pm

justonemoregame wrote:I'm working on a comprehensive list of tuition increases since last year, which I will share with everyone when I am finished. One justification I keep noticing on law school websites is that X law school's price is competitive to other schools. Of course, in virtually every instance, the other school's price is exorbitant, so comparisons like this are silly. It's unfortunate that prices continue to go up in this climate, but I hope Quale is right - I hope they price themselves out of business.

Another aggravating thing - Boston University's Dean has a video on the admissions page in which she explains BU's response to the "crisis" in legal education. The first thing she mentions is something about BU showing some sort of restraint in its tuition increase. (So, we've responded by increasing tuition). And what she said isn't even true, it went up by 4%, which is a pretty standard bump.


In case you didn't see it there was a story in the NLJ last week about tuition increases, which said the average increase at private schools was 4%, while public resident tuition went up by an average of 6%. (Inflation was 1.7% last year). It didn't provide a school by school breakdown though, which would be interesting to have.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby iMisto » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:13 pm

Cornell 2012 medians: 167, 3.68. http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admissions/FAQ/applying.cfm

Keep your fingers crossed for me, ladies!

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby bernaldiaz » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:17 pm

iMisto wrote:Cornell 2012 medians: 167, 3.68. http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admissions/FAQ/applying.cfm

Keep your fingers crossed for me, ladies!


What were they last year?

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby geary86 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:28 pm

bernaldiaz wrote:
iMisto wrote:Cornell 2012 medians: 167, 3.68. http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admissions/FAQ/applying.cfm

Keep your fingers crossed for me, ladies!


What were they last year?


Last year's medians: 168, 3.63

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby ajax » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:47 pm

HBBJohnStamos wrote:
iMisto wrote:Can Cornell please release medians already.... :evil:

I doubt our median dropped.


http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admiss ... JUMP_34090

Median dropped to 167.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:56 pm

cornell really surprises me - they have a relatively small class

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Tom Joad » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:58 pm

justonemoregame wrote:cornell really surprises me - they have a relatively small class

GULC is on watch.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby bernaldiaz » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:23 pm

Tom Joad wrote:
justonemoregame wrote:cornell really surprises me - they have a relatively small class

GULC is on watch.


Love it.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby top30man » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:25 pm

bernaldiaz wrote:
iMisto wrote:Cornell 2012 medians: 167, 3.68. http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admissions/FAQ/applying.cfm

Keep your fingers crossed for me, ladies!


What were they last year?

This is honestly kind of pathetic.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby ajax » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:29 pm

justonemoregame wrote:cornell really surprises me - they have a relatively small class


Dropping medians and class sizes should not surprise you at all. What should surprise you is any school holding its median and class size. That screams Illinois/Villanova.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby ajax » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:30 pm

Has anyone heard anything out of Northwestern?

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby dowu » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:31 pm

Does anyone know when a complete list will come out? Is it normally some time late-September?

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby KevinP » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:35 pm

Real question is, what will the medians be for the newest law school--Concordia:
http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... 0728131826

"University officials began contemplating opening a law school in Boise, which is about a seven-hour drive from Portland, in 2007. They pointed to an unmet demand for legal education in the city — the closest full-service law school was the University of Idaho College of Law in Moscow, about 300 miles away."

"Annual tuition is $28,500 — well below the average $39,184 for private law schools, according to the ABA."

nmop_apisdn wrote:Does anyone know when a complete list will come out? Is it normally some time late-September?

Regrettably we have to wait for schools to self-release if we want it in a timely fashion ;/. Quoting myself from another thread:
KevinP wrote:We basically have to rely on schools to publish this information on their websites for the next few months. Otherwise we have to wait for the U.S. News magazine to release that info in April. LSAC ABA Guide didn't even release it until July.... so the complete data for the C/O 2014 was only available since last month.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:41 pm

ajax wrote:
justonemoregame wrote:cornell really surprises me - they have a relatively small class


Dropping medians and class sizes should not surprise you at all. What should surprise you is any school holding its median and class size. That screams Illinois/Villanova.


Cornell needed to find 100 168+ LSATs to maintain their median. They don't get bad press like TTTs do, and there were plenty of these scores to go around the T-13, so I think it's surprising. Maybe they weren't willing to play the splitter game or match schollies or something, but an Ivy school not holding a 168 in a class of about 200 is still surprising.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby Rahviveh » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:48 pm

justonemoregame wrote:
ajax wrote:
justonemoregame wrote:cornell really surprises me - they have a relatively small class


Dropping medians and class sizes should not surprise you at all. What should surprise you is any school holding its median and class size. That screams Illinois/Villanova.


Cornell needed to find 100 168+ LSATs to maintain their median. They don't get bad press like TTTs do, and there were plenty of these scores to go around the T-13, so I think it's surprising. Maybe they weren't willing to play the splitter game or match schollies or something, but an Ivy school not holding a 168 in a class of about 200 is still surprising.


Not when that Ivy school is in Ithaca. Cornell will always struggle with its medians as a result of its location.

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Re: Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015)

Postby justonemoregame » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:00 pm

Ann Arbor??? Charlottesville??????




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