Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015) Forum

[rayiner]

"The tenor of the recent articles about this (trend) is really frustrating," said Sarah Zearfoss, senior assistant dean for admissions, financial aid and career planning at UM's law school.

And Zearfoss continues to be clueless. She and Leiter should start a club.

What's Leiter's deal?

He has a severe, incurable case of academatitis.

[KevinP]

Wasn't Zearfoss the same dean who complained that it was emotionally taxing for students when they got huge scholarship offers/full rides from placing competing with Michigan because these students now had to make decisions?

ETA:
Found the quote.

"Our second deposit deadline just passed, and a number of people came back to us and said, 'When I tried to withdraw from the other school, they said, 'We'll double your scholarship or give you a free ride.' " Zearfoss said. "It's frustrating for us because as a general policy we don't do a lot of negotiation. But it's also emotionally hard on the student. They just want things to be settled."

[HarlandBassett]

Wasn't Zearfoss the same dean who complained that it was emotionally taxing for students when they got huge scholarship offers/full rides from placing competing with Michigan because these students now had to make decisions?

ETA:
Found the quote.

"Our second deposit deadline just passed, and a number of people came back to us and said, 'When I tried to withdraw from the other school, they said, 'We'll double your scholarship or give you a free ride.' " Zearfoss said. "It's frustrating for us because as a general policy we don't do a lot of negotiation. But it's also emotionally hard on the student. They just want things to be settled."

http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot. ... eople.html

[rayiner]

Wasn't Zearfoss the same dean who complained that it was emotionally taxing for students when they got huge scholarship offers/full rides from placing competing with Michigan because these students now had to make decisions?

ETA:
Found the quote.

"Our second deposit deadline just passed, and a number of people came back to us and said, 'When I tried to withdraw from the other school, they said, 'We'll double your scholarship or give you a free ride.' " Zearfoss said. "It's frustrating for us because as a general policy we don't do a lot of negotiation. But it's also emotionally hard on the student. They just want things to be settled."

http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot. ... eople.html

This isn't even worth saying because any one who doesn't realize it already is the kind of authority-worshiping tool who is beyond hope anyway, but what the heck: the idea that when Sarah Zearfoss stood up last week in front of that audience of all-too-naive 0Ls she didn't know how many otherwise completely unemployed 2011 UMLS grads took "post-grad fellowships," i.e., barely above minimum wage stipends to perform full-time legal work several months after graduation, is a pitiful, miserable, shameful lie. Of course she knew. How the hell could she not know?

[iMisto]

... So it is that bad...

[thelawyler]

... So it is that bad...

No, it's worse.

[onionz]

... So it is that bad...

No, it's worse.

I think she has a pretty good defense against Campos and his BS on her blog. http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z ... 397d820295 Not that everything anyone ever says is true, but Campos certainly went a little far in his attack on her I think.

[KevinP]

http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot. ... eople.html

Wow.

[Robespierre]

Cardozo:

379 students (unchanged)
162 (unchanged)
3.53 (-.07)

http://www.cardozo.yu.edu/MemberContent ... entid=2018

[Robespierre]

American U:

493 students (+18)
159 (-3)
3.44 (unchanged)

http://www.wcl.american.edu/admiss/profile.cfm

[KevinP]

American U:

493 students (+18)
159 (-3)
3.44 (unchanged)

http://www.wcl.american.edu/admiss/profile.cfm

LOL @ LSAT. I guess for them, more tuition money > LSAT/U.S. News rankings.

[Huskies13!]

Wow--biggest drop in LSAT yet. Others have dropped 2--WUSL, Indiana, Davis, Loyola, LSU, and a bunch around the 100 mark)...

Still about 50 schools not reporting. Would love to go to UW next year but want to see how they do this year...I actually hope they drop a bit so i can get in! Other schools near #20 haven't reported yet though--Emory, the two Bostons, W&L, GW, Fordham, Wisconsin)...any news on those?

[stillwater]

American U:

493 students (+18)
159 (-3)
3.44 (unchanged)

http://www.wcl.american.edu/admiss/profile.cfm

yikes

[justonemoregame]

Nice standards American. Absolutely disgusting - that school has no business pressing 500 new JDs. More good news, their tuition and fees are up to nearly $47,000 per year.

[stillwater]

Found this while poking around:

Northeastern

LSAT median: 161 (-1)
GPA Median: 3.53 (+.05)
Enrolled: 169 (-49; -22.4%)

[justonemoregame]

I checked the Official LSAC Guide for the percentage of students on scholarship at American Univ. - about one third (492 / 1503), so ~32%. Am I reading this correctly?? Over 1,000 of their law students are being charged sticker? And of those with grants, less than 3% were offered half-tuition or more (about 40 students out of the entire 1500).

American isn't even worth a half-ride; there are like 30 people getting a bargain on that campus. Somebody tell me my math sucks

[stillwater]

I checked the Official LSAC Guide for the percentage of students on scholarship at American Univ. - about one third (492 / 1503), so ~32%. Am I reading this correctly?? Over 1,000 of their law students are being charged sticker? And of those with grants, less than 3% were offered half-tuition or more (about 40 students out of the entire 1500).

American isn't even worth a half-ride; there are like 30 people getting a bargain on that campus. Somebody tell me my math sucks

Nah, I like your math.

[Paul Campos]

I checked the Official LSAC Guide for the percentage of students on scholarship at American Univ. - about one third (492 / 1503), so ~32%. Am I reading this correctly?? Over 1,000 of their law students are being charged sticker? And of those with grants, less than 3% were offered half-tuition or more (about 40 students out of the entire 1500).

American isn't even worth a half-ride; there are like 30 people getting a bargain on that campus. Somebody tell me my math sucks

Your math is good. One more stat: 36% of 2011 American grads got full-time jobs requiring bar admission.

[KevinP]

I checked the Official LSAC Guide for the percentage of students on scholarship at American Univ. - about one third (492 / 1503), so ~32%. Am I reading this correctly?? Over 1,000 of their law students are being charged sticker? And of those with grants, less than 3% were offered half-tuition or more (about 40 students out of the entire 1500).

American isn't even worth a half-ride; there are like 30 people getting a bargain on that campus. Somebody tell me my math sucks

As other have said, your math is correct. Seriously, only Harvard should be allowed to produce this many law grads.

And shame on Cardozo for not reducing class size.

[VUSisterRayVU]

No update on medians for Penn yet?

[KevinP]

^
http://live.psu.edu/story/61069

Penn State: 159 (0) 3.56 (+.01) 165 (-20, 10.81%)

You're welcome.

[071816]

Jesus. American is such a dung pile.

[franklyscarlet]

Paging Crumps and/or rinkrat!! Post the NU medians, I know they told you all at Orientation... pleeeeasseeeee.

Granted, I was only half paying attention for most of Orientation, but I don't remember them telling us.

[Tls2012]

Here are a few more I found:

University of Connecticut
LSAT median: 159 (unchanged)
GPA Median: 3.45 (unchanged)
Enrolled: 151 (-30, -16.58%)

University of Kentucky
LSAT median: 158 (-1)
GPA Median: 3.51 (-.06)
Enrolled: 138 (+8, +6.15%)

Seton Hall
LSAT median: 158 (-1)
GPA Median: 3.50 (unchanged)
Enrolled: 206 (-60, -22.56%)

[stillwater]

Here are a few more I found:

University of Connecticut
LSAT median: 159 (unchanged)
GPA Median: 3.45 (unchanged)
Enrolled: 151 (-30, -16.58%)

University of Kentucky
LSAT median: 158 (-1)
GPA Median: 3.51 (-.06)
Enrolled: 138 (+8, +6.15%)

Seton Hall
LSAT median: 158 (-1)
GPA Median: 3.50 (unchanged)
Enrolled: 206 (-60, -22.56%)

Nice to see SH trim some fat. Now some more would be welcome.