Class of 2011 Employment Statistics Forum
- jenesaislaw
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Class of 2011 Employment Statistics
Re-did this post on 12/10/2012
All employment data from 2009 and on is available at the LST Score Reports website: http://www.lstscorereports.com
The Score Reports are an alternative to conventional rankings that sort schools based on geographical job outcomes. So, a school appears on the Mississippi state report only if the school places enough graduates in that state.
We also provide national reports, though these are not a good way to make a decision except (maybe) at the very tip top schools: http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=other
List of school profiles here: http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=schools
Guide to using the Score Reports: http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=guides&show=12
The (Lack of) Value of the U.S. News Rankings: http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=guides&show=13
All employment data from 2009 and on is available at the LST Score Reports website: http://www.lstscorereports.com
The Score Reports are an alternative to conventional rankings that sort schools based on geographical job outcomes. So, a school appears on the Mississippi state report only if the school places enough graduates in that state.
We also provide national reports, though these are not a good way to make a decision except (maybe) at the very tip top schools: http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=other
List of school profiles here: http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=schools
Guide to using the Score Reports: http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=guides&show=12
The (Lack of) Value of the U.S. News Rankings: http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=guides&show=13
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- jenesaislaw
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Re: Class of 2011 Employment Statistics
According to the ABA data from 197 law schools:
Full-time, Long-Term Legal Jobs:
These jobs are either in judicial chambers or require an active law license; and at least 35 hours per week and have an expected duration of at least one year.
The overall full-time, long-term legal rate is 55.2%.
At 73 law schools (37.4%), less than 50% of graduates had these legal jobs.
We define a graduate as underemployed when he or she is “Unemployed – Seeking”, pursuing an additional advanced degree, in a non-professional job, or employed in a short-term or part-time job.
The overall underemployment rate is 26.4%.
180 schools (92.3%) reported a rate greater than 10%.
8.5% of graduates were employed at large firms in full-time, long-term positions.
At only 45 schools (23.1%) were more than 10% in these jobs.
Full-time, Long-Term Legal Jobs:
These jobs are either in judicial chambers or require an active law license; and at least 35 hours per week and have an expected duration of at least one year.
The overall full-time, long-term legal rate is 55.2%.
At 73 law schools (37.4%), less than 50% of graduates had these legal jobs.
- 30 schools (15.4%) had less than 40%
- 10 schools (5.1%) had less than a 33%
- 31 schools (15.9%) had more than 67%
- 19 schools (9.7%) had more than 75%
- 5 schools (2.6%) had more than 90%
We define a graduate as underemployed when he or she is “Unemployed – Seeking”, pursuing an additional advanced degree, in a non-professional job, or employed in a short-term or part-time job.
The overall underemployment rate is 26.4%.
180 schools (92.3%) reported a rate greater than 10%.
- 144 schools (73.8%) were greater than 20%
- 109 schools (55.9%) were greater than 25%
- 57 schools (29.2%) were greater than 33%
- 20 schools (10.3%) were greater than 40%
8.5% of graduates were employed at large firms in full-time, long-term positions.
At only 45 schools (23.1%) were more than 10% in these jobs.
- 20 schools (10.3%) were greater than 20%
- 11 schools (7.7%) were greater than 33%
- 3 schools were over half – Columbia, Northwestern, and Penn.
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- RedBirds2011
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Re: Class of 2011 Employment Statistics
I really would like to know what these "JD advantage" jobs are. Can someone shed light on what that means?
- jenesaislaw
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Re: Class of 2011 Employment Statistics
The “J.D. Advantage” category includes jobs as paralegals, law school admissions officers, and a host of jobs. A graduate falls into this category when the employer sought an individual with a J.D. (and perhaps even required a J.D.), or for which the J.D. provided a demonstrable advantage in obtaining or performing the job, but the job itself does not require bar passage, an active law license, or involve practicing law.
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Re: Class of 2011 Employment Statistics
School funded employment or anything where a post graduate degree is required (of any type). Desirable outcomes include things like contract negotiations for companies or consulting, but those jobs are few and far between.RedBirds2011 wrote:I really would like to know what these "JD advantage" jobs are. Can someone shed light on what that means?
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Re: Class of 2011 Employment Statistics
Isn't NYU over half? 240+30+11 = 281, which is > half of 497, no? Same with Harvard? Haven't bothered to check others, but I think it's more than 2...jenesaislaw wrote: Large Firms (at least 101 attorneys):
8.5% of graduates were employed at large firms in full-time, long-term positions.
At only 32 schools (16.2%) were more than 10% in these jobs.
- 19 schools (9.6%) were greater than 20%
- 11 schools (5.6%) were greater than 33%
- 2 schools were over half – Columbia and Penn.
- Greenandgold
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Re: Class of 2011 Employment Statistics
Just checked Virginia and Chicago. They were both over half as well.NJPitcher wrote:Isn't NYU over half? 240+30+11 = 281, which is > half of 497, no? Same with Harvard? Haven't bothered to check others, but I think it's more than 2...jenesaislaw wrote: Large Firms (at least 101 attorneys):
8.5% of graduates were employed at large firms in full-time, long-term positions.
At only 32 schools (16.2%) were more than 10% in these jobs.
- 19 schools (9.6%) were greater than 20%
- 11 schools (5.6%) were greater than 33%
- 2 schools were over half – Columbia and Penn.
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Re: Class of 2011 Employment Statistics
the individual reports are still c/o 2010
- Ruxin1
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It WAS working for a second, they probably took it down to fix a bug.f0bolous wrote:the individual reports are still c/o 2010
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f0bolous wrote:the individual reports are still c/o 2010
Yea, the recent ones were up momentarily and then they took them back down.
Edit: scooped
- homestyle28
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So is NUGreenandgold wrote:Just checked Virginia and Chicago. They were both over half as well.NJPitcher wrote:Isn't NYU over half? 240+30+11 = 281, which is > half of 497, no? Same with Harvard? Haven't bothered to check others, but I think it's more than 2...jenesaislaw wrote: Large Firms (at least 101 attorneys):
8.5% of graduates were employed at large firms in full-time, long-term positions.
At only 32 schools (16.2%) were more than 10% in these jobs.
- 19 schools (9.6%) were greater than 20%
- 11 schools (5.6%) were greater than 33%
- 2 schools were over half – Columbia and Penn.
- justonemoregame
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What's with Unemployed - Not Seeking ? You just did law school for funzies?
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Given up? Idk...justonemoregame wrote:What's with Unemployed - Not Seeking ? You just did law school for funzies?
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- jenesaislaw
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Re: Class of 2011 Employment Statistics
You guys are looking at the wrong year.
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JNSL - mah boiii
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Got married & pregnant, staying home with the kid.justonemoregame wrote:What's with Unemployed - Not Seeking ? You just did law school for funzies?
Won the lottery.
Became seriously ill/disabled.
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Mommy and Daddy really wanted them to go to law school, so they went and then went back to living off the trust fund.rinkrat19 wrote:Got married & pregnant, staying home with the kid.justonemoregame wrote:What's with Unemployed - Not Seeking ? You just did law school for funzies?
Won the lottery.
Became seriously ill/disabled.
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Re: Class of 2011 Employment Statistics
It also includes policy-type jobs, and advocacy-type work. Government and nonprofit stuff where everyone who does it IS a lawyer, but technically you don't have to be because you will never represent or advise anyone or sign legal documents. Legislative work too.RedBirds2011 wrote:I really would like to know what these "JD advantage" jobs are. Can someone shed light on what that means?
- jenesaislaw
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Re: Class of 2011 Employment Statistics
Update: they're working on fixing the error.
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I've got the data downloaded from when it was working. I'm trying to set up a graph like we've got for the 2010 data. I'll post it when I'm finished.
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Worked for me @ 3:33 CST
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Greenandgold wrote:I've got the data downloaded from when it was working. I'm trying to set up a graph like we've got for the 2010 data. I'll post it when I'm finished.
TYIA!
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sjwest wrote:Worked for me @ 3:33 CST
The site works. The most recent data is just not up right now.
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Re: Class of 2011 Employment Statistics
It says 2011 on the Harvard sheet I'm looking at. Is this not class of 2011? It's reporting 288/26/19 for 501/251/101, with 589 graduates. But wrong year?jenesaislaw wrote:You guys are looking at the wrong year.
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2011 refers to the year the data were collected, not class year. Confusing, but changing hopefully.NJPitcher wrote:It says 2011 on the Harvard sheet I'm looking at. Is this not class of 2011? It's reporting 288/26/19 for 501/251/101, with 589 graduates. But wrong year?jenesaislaw wrote:You guys are looking at the wrong year.
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