newpoaster wrote: Puttanesca wrote:
newpoaster wrote:From CA, want to work in CA, otherwise no specific career goals (horror stories of biglaw make me think I might not be cut out for it... don't have the work ethic).
COA (before interest): USC 50k, Columbia 160k
If you think you might not be cut out for biglaw, go to USC. You will pretty much have to get a biglaw job in order to pay down the 160K debt at Columbia.
Yeah, it's hard to know whether or not I'll be cut out for the job without knowing what it entails. Part of the problem is that there aren't a lot of decent, non-biglaw, law jobs. I am going to LS with the hope of launching a legal career after all.
UPDATE: I tried to get USC to increase my award (based on multiple acceptances and scholarships), but was unsuccessful. I'm really not sure what to do. I tentatively accepted Columbia's offer. However, this thread
concerns me. I really liked USC when I visited; I know I'd be happy there. I haven't had an opportunity to visit Columbia, but I've heard from current students that the gunner-ish reputation is undeserved. Any current USC/Columbia students care to weigh in?
Recently-graduated CLS alum here. I'm certainly not a CLS fanboy by any means (just check my post history), but the gunnerish reputation is certainly undeserved. In fact I think it is actually less gunnerish than most schools simply because so many people get good jobs that it really doesn't breed that kind of aggressive behavior. People are fucking smart and they take 1L seriously, but I don't call that gunnerism. I'm not quite sure where the reputation came from other than the fact that CLS sends so many of its people into firms (for some reason people assume PI/gov't folks can't be gunners) or maybe because it is the highest ranked school with a traditional A/A-/B+ grading system. For me, the best thing about the school other than the job prospects and easy 2L/3L curve was the people.
I could maybe think of 2-3 people in my 1L section of 100 who I would call gunners (at this point I forget most of their names) and that was really only the people who constantly raised their hands. After 1L I wasn't in class enough to really get a good picture but from what I understand the gunnerism was pretty much non-existent.
Now elitism is a different story. The few people (maybe 4-5) out of my class I really do not like are the types of people who start a conversation with you by interrogating you to see if you are working at a higher ranked firm then they are and then use the conversation to include little tidbits of their resume. That's a very small number of people and I think you would find them at any school.
And while biglaw is not for everybody, I know plenty of people who are planning to stay 2-3 years then start exiting out. Outside of super-selective boutique and federal government gigs it really is the best place to start your career. The exit options are pretty wide from what I understand.
EDIT: I'll say that I was originally leaning USC but now have changed my vote to CLS. If you don't really have a plan for what you want to do after law school I think CLS would be a good investment. It might be different if you were set on a specific type of PI/gov't (hell, I even know supposedly dedicated PI people who are working at firms next year) but I think CLS will offer you the widest variety of options from the median.