iowalum wrote:flem wrote:iowalum wrote:
I get it. I'm with you. But you really don't even remotely think that students are responsible for the decision of where they choose to go to school? I'm genuinely curious. I mean, if someone drops $100k on some completely crap stock without even looking at the market predictions/business model/reviews, etc. and loses everything is there not at least a little bit of 'Hey, maybe you should have checked that out a little first?'. Really?
To each their own, I don't really care if people choose to make these decisions and I think the schools are largely to blame. I just can't believe students wouldn't think to make sure they were investing wisely.
I don't think anyone is disagreeing that students should be responsible. I just think you're vastly underestimating how often otherwise "smart" people make this poor decision. Most people don't know or pay attention to the law school scam coverage. Why wouldn't you be able to trust advertised employment stats by a supposed institution of higher learning?
Again, this is the 'naive' argument. If this was something less important I would understand, but this can literally determine the rest of your life and I think it deserves a little more consideration. I mean, who in the world sees and ad for Ave Maria or whatever and goes 'Hey, without any further research I am going to throw thousands of dollars at these people'? It would be like hearing a one-liner from a guy at the bar and saying 'I don't know anything else about you... want to get married?'.
To some people, it is more like meeting a super-rich, beautiful, famous person and getting married the same day- the dream scenario for many people. I try my hardest to dissuade prospective students from making poor decisions and have gotten frustrated at people who refuse to see that dropping 200K on a TTT education just so they can avoid making payments on their 50K of UG debt for three more years is a bad idea. But I recognize that for some people the idea that law school is a bad investment just does not occur to them. You need to be able to entertain a hypothesis before you can investigate it.
And anyway, from the perspective of good social policy it makes sense to focus on other ways to solve the problem. I disagree with removing government from the equation because higher education is a social issue and I'm not convinced the market would produce a good outcome for society.