It should be top 18, not top 14

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby SnapSnapSnap » Thu May 10, 2012 2:18 pm

False. The T14 are "special" because they're the only schools to ever have been ranked a Top 10 by UNSWR. So until Vandy, UT, UCLA, whateva, gets named a Top 10, the current T14 are going to be the only ones at the grown-ups' table. :P

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby lisjjen » Thu May 10, 2012 2:27 pm

Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:It's T12 + Michigan and GULC. Welcum to ITE little breh.


If the real Tyler the Creator saw how much you use the phrase "little breh," he would rap about stabbing you instead ofBruno Mars.
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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby lisjjen » Thu May 10, 2012 2:29 pm

SnapSnapSnap wrote:False. The T14 are "special" because they're the only schools to ever have been ranked a Top 10 by UNSWR. So until Vandy, UT, UCLA, whateva, gets named a Top 10, the current T14 are going to be the only ones at the grown-ups' table. :P


So that's arbitrary and false.

If anything, let's make it Top 10 and leave it there. Top 10 is simple to understand and easy to remember.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby lisjjen » Thu May 10, 2012 2:31 pm

Tom Joad wrote:Should be T12.

ETA: Congrats on getting into one of Texas, UCLA, Vandy or USC.


+1

As a person who is attending a "T18," I still feel like it shouldn't be broadened. It's not that TX, UCLA, Vandy, and USC aren't elite universities. It's just that they don't keep pace with the others in every way.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby NJPitcher » Thu May 10, 2012 2:33 pm

T2 or bust.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby lisjjen » Thu May 10, 2012 2:52 pm

NJPitcher wrote:T2 or bust.


But even that's arbitrary. Are the T2 Harvard and Yale or Yale and Stanford?

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby minnbills » Thu May 10, 2012 3:15 pm

Nova wrote:Hey guys!! How bout Top 19!?! No? ok. :(

flem wrote:Blatant anti-UMN trolling


I know, let me get my pitch-fork :evil:

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby SilverE2 » Thu May 10, 2012 3:21 pm

99.9luft wrote:
UtilityMonster wrote:
shoeshine wrote:Nope, USC is not in the same class of school as MVP CCN. T18 would be meaningless.


Well, neither is Georgetown or Cornell.



LOL, what is this Trojan trolling? Have you seen the Biglaw employment numbers for Cornell?: http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/goto%20l ... s_main.pdf


Hey, I can selectively post stats too!

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... slreturn=1

Damn Cornell, 38%???

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby specialsnowflake » Thu May 10, 2012 3:28 pm

UtilityMonster wrote:Why? Because Texas, UCLA, Vandy and USC all have strong national reputations, strong admissions statistics, and good employment statistics. There is a large cutoff in law school quality after USC, which is a league above the rest. So, I don't think there should be some huge line drawn between Cornell and UCLA. The next four schools are high quality as well, but quickly taper off after USC.

What do you think?

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby NJPitcher » Thu May 10, 2012 3:59 pm

lisjjen wrote:
NJPitcher wrote:T2 or bust.


But even that's arbitrary. Are the T2 Harvard and Yale or Yale and Stanford?


I see your point. T7 or bust. No, T9. Fine, T4 it is.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby lisjjen » Thu May 10, 2012 4:15 pm

NJPitcher wrote:
lisjjen wrote:
NJPitcher wrote:T2 or bust.


But even that's arbitrary. Are the T2 Harvard and Yale or Yale and Stanford?


I see your point. T7 or bust. No, T9. Fine, T4 it is.


I still like T10. We have 10 fingers. Bam.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby doomed123 » Thu May 10, 2012 4:23 pm

lisjjen wrote:
NJPitcher wrote:
lisjjen wrote:
NJPitcher wrote:T2 or bust.


But even that's arbitrary. Are the T2 Harvard and Yale or Yale and Stanford?


I see your point. T7 or bust. No, T9. Fine, T4 it is.


I still like T10. We have 10 fingers. Bam.


So Michigan is like the deformed finger that got stuck in a meat grinder?

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby Julio_El_Chavo » Thu May 10, 2012 6:28 pm

HYS is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby 071816 » Thu May 10, 2012 6:30 pm

lisjjen wrote:
Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:It's T12 + Michigan and GULC. Welcum to ITE little breh.


If the real Tyler the Creator saw how much you use the phrase "little breh," he would rap about stabbing you instead ofBruno Mars.

lol I was thinking the same fucking thing.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby woeisme » Fri May 11, 2012 12:28 am

UtilityMonster wrote:Why? Because Texas, UCLA, Vandy and USC all have strong national reputations, strong admissions statistics, and good employment statistics. There is a large cutoff in law school quality after USC, which is a league above the rest. So, I don't think there should be some huge line drawn between Cornell and UCLA. The next four schools are high quality as well, but quickly taper off after USC.

What do you think?


Cornell has been ranked ahead of GULC for years. Cornell, Duke, and NU used to flip and GULC was the T-14 gate keeper. So you're obviously unfamiliar with the year to year rankings.

T14 = the 14 schools always ranked in top 14 and at some point ranked in top 10. USC, UCLA, UT, and Vandy are undoubtedly just a step behind the T14 and ahead of the rest, ... But making a T18 cut off would actually be more arbitrary than T14. But sure...

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby Nova » Fri May 11, 2012 12:41 am

TBF, T18 does exist (in the minds of anyone at UT/Vandy/UCLA/USC).

Ive heard T25, T30, T40.... its just a way rationalizing one's own decision to attend a certain a range of school.

In my mind, its all about that T20, brah. Shit drops off dramatically after that :P

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby minnbills » Fri May 11, 2012 12:43 am

Nova wrote:TBF, T18 does exist (in the minds of anyone at UT/Vandy/UCLA/USC).

Ive heard T25, T30, T40.... its just a way rationalizing one's own decision to attend a certain a range of school.

In my mind, its all about that T20, brah. Shit drops off dramatically after that :P


+1.

Most of the older attorneys I talk to seem to say T25 is a good cutoff.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby JamMasterJ » Fri May 11, 2012 12:45 am

Nova wrote:TBF, T18 does exist (in the minds of anyone at UT/Vandy/UCLA/USC).

Ive heard T25, T30, T40.... its just a way rationalizing one's own decision to attend a certain a range of school.

In my mind, its all about that T20, brah. Shit drops off dramatically after that :P

T12 breh

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby danquayle » Fri May 11, 2012 12:16 pm

minnbills wrote:
Nova wrote:TBF, T18 does exist (in the minds of anyone at UT/Vandy/UCLA/USC).

Ive heard T25, T30, T40.... its just a way rationalizing one's own decision to attend a certain a range of school.

In my mind, its all about that T20, brah. Shit drops off dramatically after that :P


+1.

Most of the older attorneys I talk to seem to say T25 is a good cutoff.


I've never seen job posting as for T-14. I have seen job posting that refer to top 20, top 25, top 50, tier 1 and "elite."

So T-14 is not seen as a real qualifier by any legal hiring managers I've seen. However, WHAT IS TRUE, is that the T-14 are certainly always going to be in each of the categories above.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby rayiner » Fri May 11, 2012 12:24 pm

Hiring managers all know T-14. They use "top 10 or 15 schools" as code to avoid sounding like they know, but I've seen them slip.

Anyway, look at my UN-employment ranking for 2011: over half unemployed or underemployed at USC, versus 30% at Mich and 25% at NU. That's what we call a drop-off.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby SaintFond » Fri May 11, 2012 3:19 pm

Nova wrote:TBF, T18 does exist (in the minds of anyone at UT/Vandy/UCLA/USC).

Ive heard T25, T30, T40.... its just a way rationalizing one's own decision to attend a certain a range of school.

In my mind, its all about that T20, brah. Shit drops off dramatically after that :P


Egregious WUSTL trolling

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby danquayle » Fri May 11, 2012 3:22 pm

rayiner wrote:Hiring managers all know T-14. They use "top 10 or 15 schools" as code to avoid sounding like they know, but I've seen them slip.

Anyway, look at my UN-employment ranking for 2011: over half unemployed or underemployed at USC, versus 30% at Mich and 25% at NU. That's what we call a drop-off.


Seriously, why wouldn't they just say T-14? What do they care?

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby SaintFond » Fri May 11, 2012 3:23 pm

danquayle wrote:
rayiner wrote:Hiring managers all know T-14. They use "top 10 or 15 schools" as code to avoid sounding like they know, but I've seen them slip.

Anyway, look at my UN-employment ranking for 2011: over half unemployed or underemployed at USC, versus 30% at Mich and 25% at NU. That's what we call a drop-off.


Seriously, why wouldn't they just say T-14? What do they care?


They have to pretend it's not all a prestige whoring game.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby danquayle » Fri May 11, 2012 3:28 pm

SaintFond wrote:
danquayle wrote:
rayiner wrote:Hiring managers all know T-14. They use "top 10 or 15 schools" as code to avoid sounding like they know, but I've seen them slip.

Anyway, look at my UN-employment ranking for 2011: over half unemployed or underemployed at USC, versus 30% at Mich and 25% at NU. That's what we call a drop-off.


Seriously, why wouldn't they just say T-14? What do they care?


They have to pretend it's not all a prestige whoring game.


Ok, so why say "top 10 or 15 schools" then? Isn't a requiring a top 10 school or top 15 inherently also about prestige whoring? Isn't asking for ANY "top" school prestige whoring? I don't see why asking for a t-14 school all of a sudden makes it prestige whoring, but asking for a t-10 school wouldn't be.

And do you really think law firms care about being perceived as prestige hungry? I think they're rather explicit about that.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby Nova » Fri May 11, 2012 3:29 pm

SaintFond wrote:
Nova wrote:TBF, T18 does exist (in the minds of anyone at UT/Vandy/UCLA/USC).

Ive heard T25, T30, T40.... its just a way rationalizing one's own decision to attend a certain a range of school.

In my mind, its all about that T20, brah. Shit drops off dramatically after that :P


Egregious WUSTL trolling


WUSTTTL is TTT25 these days. :wink: :P

No, but seriously... people talk about rankings being meaningless, but then cling to these distinctions.

Any distinction between lesser T1s is mostly arbitrary. This year there are 32 T30s, 42 T40s. Baylor, UHLC, and SMU are all ranked 51-57. TTop of TT. Saying Utah Pepperdine and American are better schools simply because they are T1 would be crazy.
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