It should be top 18, not top 14

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It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby UtilityMonster » Thu May 10, 2012 12:00 pm

Why? Because Texas, UCLA, Vandy and USC all have strong national reputations, strong admissions statistics, and good employment statistics. There is a large cutoff in law school quality after USC, which is a league above the rest. So, I don't think there should be some huge line drawn between Cornell and UCLA. The next four schools are high quality as well, but quickly taper off after USC.

What do you think?

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby Chucky21 » Thu May 10, 2012 12:03 pm

cool

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby Tom Joad » Thu May 10, 2012 12:04 pm

Should be T12.

ETA: Congrats on getting into one of Texas, UCLA, Vandy or USC.
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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby shoeshine » Thu May 10, 2012 12:04 pm

Nope, USC is not in the same class of school as MVP CCN. T18 would be meaningless.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby blurbz » Thu May 10, 2012 12:05 pm

False. Those schools don't have nearly the reputation/name recognition/placement as the schools in the T14.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby flem » Thu May 10, 2012 12:06 pm

Blatant anti-UMN trolling

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby Chucky21 » Thu May 10, 2012 12:08 pm

T 14 just has a ring to it. Also the employment statistics of these schools.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby law2015 » Thu May 10, 2012 12:08 pm

This is obviously a bad attempt to troll!

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby UtilityMonster » Thu May 10, 2012 12:12 pm

Tom Joad wrote:Should be T12.

ETA: Congrats on getting into one of Texas, UCLA, Vandy or USC.


Hah, didn't even apply to one of those.


Am I trolling? Perhaps inadvertently. 8)

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby 99.9luft » Thu May 10, 2012 12:13 pm

Chucky21 wrote:cool



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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby UtilityMonster » Thu May 10, 2012 12:14 pm

shoeshine wrote:Nope, USC is not in the same class of school as MVP CCN. T18 would be meaningless.


Well, neither is Georgetown or Cornell.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby shoeshine » Thu May 10, 2012 12:15 pm

UtilityMonster wrote:
shoeshine wrote:Nope, USC is not in the same class of school as MVP CCN. T18 would be meaningless.


Well, neither is Georgetown or Cornell.

But they are much closer reputation wise and before ITE they were also closer in job placement.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby danquayle » Thu May 10, 2012 12:16 pm

99.9luft wrote:
Chucky21 wrote:cool



story


bro

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby 99.9luft » Thu May 10, 2012 12:18 pm

UtilityMonster wrote:
shoeshine wrote:Nope, USC is not in the same class of school as MVP CCN. T18 would be meaningless.


Well, neither is Georgetown or Cornell.



LOL, what is this Trojan trolling? Have you seen the Biglaw employment numbers for Cornell?: http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/goto%20l ... s_main.pdf

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby Odd Future Wolf Gang » Thu May 10, 2012 12:21 pm

It's T12 + Michigan and GULC. Welcum to ITE little breh.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby chem » Thu May 10, 2012 12:23 pm

t13. GULC lost it when UTexas tied. the top 14 are law schools that have been in that top 14 for a loooonng time. So there can only ever be less schools, not more

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby Tom Joad » Thu May 10, 2012 12:26 pm

chem wrote:t13. GULC lost it when UTexas tied. the top 14 are law schools that have been in that top 14 for a loooonng time. So there can only ever be less schools, not more

And then Cornell lost their preftige when they got passed by GULC this year. Hence, T12.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby SaintFond » Thu May 10, 2012 12:34 pm

chem wrote:t13. GULC lost it when UTexas tied. the top 14 are law schools that have been in that top 14 for a loooonng time. So there can only ever be less schools, not more


Yeah, but this reasoning can be applied to the T18 as well: the T18 schools are the schools that have been in the top 18 for a long time. It's always been T14 followed by UCLA, Austin, Vandy and USC.

Supposedly the T14 are the T14 because all of them have been in the top 10 (even if only #10) at some point in time. Also they are the truly "national" schools, whatever that means.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby chem » Thu May 10, 2012 12:38 pm

SaintFond wrote:
chem wrote:t13. GULC lost it when UTexas tied. the top 14 are law schools that have been in that top 14 for a loooonng time. So there can only ever be less schools, not more


Yeah, but this reasoning can be applied to the T18 as well: the T18 schools are the schools that have been in the top 18 for a long time. It's always been T14 followed by UCLA, Austin, Vandy and USC.

Supposedly the T14 are the T14 because all of them have been in the top 10 (even if only #10) at some point in time. Also they are the truly "national" schools, whatever that means.


I honestly think that lawschooltransparency is the most useful metric to decide where to go to school

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby Chucky21 » Thu May 10, 2012 1:37 pm

99.9luft wrote:
UtilityMonster wrote:
shoeshine wrote:Nope, USC is not in the same class of school as MVP CCN. T18 would be meaningless.


Well, neither is Georgetown or Cornell.



LOL, what is this Trojan trolling? Have you seen the Biglaw employment numbers for Cornell?: http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/goto%20l ... s_main.pdf


I know seriously. Cornell's biglaw placement in nyc biglaw is well known, so I don't understand how it doesn't 'make the cut' as it were. Unless there is some other metric more important than job prospects that I am missing... number of chairs in the library?

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby Kronk » Thu May 10, 2012 1:47 pm

Chucky21 wrote:
99.9luft wrote:
UtilityMonster wrote:
shoeshine wrote:Nope, USC is not in the same class of school as MVP CCN. T18 would be meaningless.


Well, neither is Georgetown or Cornell.



LOL, what is this Trojan trolling? Have you seen the Biglaw employment numbers for Cornell?: http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/goto%20l ... s_main.pdf


I know seriously. Cornell's biglaw placement in nyc biglaw is well known, so I don't understand how it doesn't 'make the cut' as it were. Unless there is some other metric more important than job prospects that I am missing... number of chairs in the library?


Because New York is a shit tank.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/84-mil ... k-c,18003/

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby Nova » Thu May 10, 2012 1:52 pm

Hey guys!! How bout Top 19!?! No? ok. :(

flem wrote:Blatant anti-UMN trolling
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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby Chucky21 » Thu May 10, 2012 1:55 pm

Kronk wrote:
Chucky21 wrote:
99.9luft wrote:
UtilityMonster wrote:Nope, USC is not in the same class of school as MVP CCN. T18 would be meaningless.


Well, neither is Georgetown or Cornell.



LOL, what is this Trojan trolling? Have you seen the Biglaw employment numbers for Cornell?: http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/goto%20l ... s_main.pdf


I know seriously. Cornell's biglaw placement in nyc biglaw is well known, so I don't understand how it doesn't 'make the cut' as it were. Unless there is some other metric more important than job prospects that I am missing... number of chairs in the library?


Because New York is a shit tank.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/84-mil ... k-c,18003/[/quote]

Nice. But I was referring to job prospects out of Cornell, and not choosing to live right in the city. Maybe a couple years renting sure, but then move out to westchester, nice parts of long island, or even connecticut would be preferable. Commuting isn't bad, and you can have a house etc...

Cornell's placement is still nothing to sneeze at.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby Kronk » Thu May 10, 2012 2:01 pm

I was really just (semi)jokingly implying that jobs in those stats in New York City shouldn't be counted because it's an awful place to live.

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Re: It should be top 18, not top 14

Postby moneybagsphd » Thu May 10, 2012 2:18 pm

I think sub-tiers are a much more useful classification than "T14". YHS, CCN, etc will tell you more about a school's national reach than "T14" ITE. The lower T14 are becoming more regional.




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