willwilliams1334 wrote: dixiecupdrinking wrote:
willwilliams1334 wrote: Ask me something more specific. Which claim do you have a problem with?
willwilliams1334 wrote:NYU is a really fluffy school
willwilliams1334 wrote:Penn's network in NY easily rivals that of NYU
willwilliams1334 wrote:its name is much more respectable with regard to business
willwilliams1334 wrote:NYU is NOT strong in the financial/corporate stuff
willwilliams1334 wrote:Penn offers connections like this that a school like NYU doesnt
willwilliams1334 wrote:you [will] make some friendships that, down the road, allow you to bring in some business for your firm, which is one of the main aspects of climbing the partner track.
Penn is focused on Biglaw. NYU is focused on PI. Penn is putting more people in Biglaw, thus there Biglaw network is growing larger than NYUs. The allusions to business, wharton, connects etc. are all individual things; you have to be able to just make that happen yourself, but Penn is a great jumping off point for Biglaw/private stuff. Don't know whats so controversial about what im saying.
NYU still places more people into big law every year, especially in NYC, than Penn has in its entire class. Unless Penn increases in size, its never going to put more people in big law, in terms of raw numbers (and if Penn were to increase its size, I imagine its placement percentage would take a beating). NYU/CLS/HLS dominate big law in NYC and that's never going to change. If your argument is that Penn's big law network is larger, that is always going to lose. One good year (where NYU still put more people in big law) does not mean your network will overtake NYU's. Yes, Penn as a university is better than NYU, but going to Penn law isn't an instant ticket into the Penn undergrad/Wharton networks like you think it is. Alums from those schools are going to care a lot more about alums that went to those specific schools than those who went to a grad school they barely interacted with during their time at Penn. Finally, as far as networking goes, the tenuous connections Penn might help you make are still connections in Philadelphia, being in NYC affords NYU students a lot more networking opportunities throughout the year with people practicing big law. Even if that's solely due to proximity, its better to be in NYC for networking in finance/corporate world, than in Philadelphia...
NYU is still largely focused on Big Law, it just has a much stronger PI atmosphere than most other T14's except probably YS. A lot of PI people don't even do EIW, they don't go to PI because they struck out at EIW first. PI jobs (as in jobs that actually still pay you) are typically harder to get than Big Law jobs. It's not a place for people who can't hack Big Law to go with their tails between their legs. Also, if NYU were so terrible at finance/corporate stuff, why does it kill Penn every year at getting people jobs at the top Wall Street firms (23 people from NYU are working at DPW this summer and 2 from Penn are, Skadden: 8 NYU/1 Penn, etc.). Finally, NYU once again benefits from its proximity in being able to get practitioners to teach a lot of our more practical classes like M&A and what not. Those people aren't going to train down to Penn to do the same as frequently...
I'm not trying to say that Penn is bad for big law, and maybe even they placed a higher percentage of students in big law last year than NYU did, but to argue that Penn is going to overtake NYU in placement ability/rank/whatever and alumni network (in big law at least) is ridiculous. There is a reason most people, including those who want to do big law, choose NYU over Penn with equal money.