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Re: Power of Penn

Postby rayiner » Wed May 09, 2012 2:40 pm

chimp wrote:
Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:The weird thing about Philly is that some parts are REALLY nice, but take a wrong turn on some corner and you're in The Wire.

The same could be said about any major city in this country champ.


Nah. The nice parts of Philly are interspersed with the bad parts. In Chicago, the bad parts are quite well segregated. In NYC you have to go off Manhattan to get to a bad part.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby 071816 » Wed May 09, 2012 2:42 pm

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chimp wrote:
Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:The weird thing about Philly is that some parts are REALLY nice, but take a wrong turn on some corner and you're in The Wire.

The same could be said about any major city in this country champ.


Nah. The nice parts of Philly are interspersed with the bad parts. In Chicago, the bad parts are quite well segregated. In NYC you have to go off Manhattan to get to a bad part.

Lol somebody's never been to Washington heights or LES or the countless other shitty neighborhoods on the island of Manhattan.

And in Chicago, end up a little too far west of the united center on Madison and you're suddenly in one of the worst hoods in the city.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby Sherwood2014 » Wed May 09, 2012 2:58 pm

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Sherwood2014 wrote:Back to the topic. For those who wind up below median or at the bottom 25%, I imagine the power of Penn would keep you in the running. Not sure if Penn would be equal to CCN. Perhaps the PBV leader?


That's CCPN NBMV.

That is encouraging should the bottom fall out during the second phase of exams. :D

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby rayiner » Wed May 09, 2012 3:00 pm

Sherwood2014 wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Sherwood2014 wrote:Back to the topic. For those who wind up below median or at the bottom 25%, I imagine the power of Penn would keep you in the running. Not sure if Penn would be equal to CCN. Perhaps the PBV leader?


That's CCPN NBMV.

That is encouraging should the bottom fall out during the second phase of exams. :D


Don't be bottom quarter. 20% of Penn C/O 2011 were still FUCKED. It buys you a 10% or so cushion, but not "bottom falling out" security.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby rayiner » Wed May 09, 2012 3:08 pm

chimp wrote:
rayiner wrote:
chimp wrote:
Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:The weird thing about Philly is that some parts are REALLY nice, but take a wrong turn on some corner and you're in The Wire.

The same could be said about any major city in this country champ.


Nah. The nice parts of Philly are interspersed with the bad parts. In Chicago, the bad parts are quite well segregated. In NYC you have to go off Manhattan to get to a bad part.

Lol somebody's never been to Washington heights or LES or the countless other shitty neighborhoods on the island of Manhattan.

And in Chicago, end up a little too far west of the united center on Madison and you're suddenly in one of the worst hoods in the city.


You literally have to be going to Washington Heights to end up there. The LES is like DisneyLand--I lived in alphabet city this summer and it was all hipsters.

United Center is over three miles west of the nicest parts of Chicago, and separated by a river. The only place NU folks go west of the river is wicker park, Ukrainian village, maybe west town.

Again, the operative difference is that in Chicago you can go pretty much anywhere a young yuppie would go without going through a sketch area. West is find out to west town, north is fine out to lakeview, south is fine out south loop. You can't accidentally wander into someplace sketch. In Philly you might have to cross through sketch places to get where you're going, especially from Penn campus.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby Nelson » Wed May 09, 2012 3:11 pm

rayiner wrote:Again, the operative difference is that in Chicago you can go pretty much anywhere a young yuppie would go without going through a sketch area. West is find out to west town, north is fine out to lakeview, south is fine out south loop. You can't accidentally wander into someplace sketch. In Philly you might have to cross through sketch places to get where you're going, especially from Penn campus.

I didn't want to get involved in this shitshow of a thread, but this is just obviously wrong to anyone who knows anything about Philly's geography. Anywhere that's sketchy near Penn's campus these days is west (or far north) of campus, and you'd have no reason to go there. All of the places you'd be going from Penn are east of campus.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby willwilliams1334 » Wed May 09, 2012 3:14 pm

rayiner wrote:
Sherwood2014 wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Sherwood2014 wrote:Back to the topic. For those who wind up below median or at the bottom 25%, I imagine the power of Penn would keep you in the running. Not sure if Penn would be equal to CCN. Perhaps the PBV leader?


That's CCPN NBMV.

That is encouraging should the bottom fall out during the second phase of exams. :D


Don't be bottom quarter. 20% of Penn C/O 2011 were still FUCKED. It buys you a 10% or so cushion, but not "bottom falling out" security.


It gives better security than its peers, why its in the CCNP bracket

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby 071816 » Wed May 09, 2012 3:23 pm

rayiner wrote:You literally have to be going to Washington Heights to end up there. The LES is like DisneyLand--I lived in alphabet city this summer and it was all hipsters.

United Center is over three miles west of the nicest parts of Chicago, and separated by a river. The only place NU folks go west of the river is wicker park, Ukrainian village, maybe west town.
My point is that you are greatly exaggerating the likelihood that somebody would just randomly end up in a shitty part of town in Philly as compared to any similarly sized city in the United States.
Again, the operative difference is that in Chicago you can go pretty much anywhere a young yuppie would go without going through a sketch area. West is find out to west town, north is fine out to lakeview, south is fine out south loop. You can't accidentally wander into someplace sketch. In Philly you might have to cross through sketch places to get where you're going, especially from Penn campus.

My point is that you are not significantly more likely to just randomly end up in a really shitty neighborhood in Philly than you are in any other similarly-sized American city. The phenomenon you described is not unique to the city of Philadelphia no matter how hard you try to make it seem like it is.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby HeavenWood » Wed May 09, 2012 3:35 pm

InGoodFaith wrote:
bceagles182 wrote:This is outrageous. All of the people saying that Philly > DC are certifiably insane. I can understand not liking D.C., but Philadelphia is arguably the second shittiest city in the U.S. next to Camden, which is right next door, coincidentally enough.

Philly is like NYC in that the entire city smells like shit, everything is filthy, and there are homeless people everywhere except that it lacks all of NY's redeeming qualities (e.g., NY has much better nightlife, nicer parks, lower crime rates, cheaper cabs, and a functioning subway system that you can take without getting mugged).

And all of these problems are exacerbated by the fact that Penn is in West Philly, which is even worse than regular Philly.

I refuse to believe that anyone who (1) has ever lived in Philly and (2) isn't from Philly, actually likes it there.

The main line is fine. The city is an absolute dump.



Have you ever been to Penn's campus? The fact that you even compare the university area with the rest of West Philly just screams derp.

Yeah, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he doesn't know the city very well. Maybe those comments applied 20 years ago, but Philly has been improving by leaps and bounds year after year. The vast majority of Center City, U City/parts of West Philly through to the upper 40s, Grad Hospital, Bella Vista/Queen Village, Fairmount, Northern Liberties, Manayunk/Roxborough, Mt. Airy, Chestnut Hill, etc. etc. etc. are really nice places to live. I happen to like D.C. myself, but my one big issue with the city is its generic BosWash-amalgamation culture. Philly has a definite personality, and its COL is extremely reasonable for an East Coast city.

As for this whole "where does Penn belong?" debate, while its placement is superior to MV, it's also not quite on the level of CCN. PVM probably applies more than anything else, but since MVP is an inherently better acronym, I'll just stick with that.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby Odd Future Wolf Gang » Wed May 09, 2012 3:39 pm

chimp wrote:Lol somebody's never been to Washington heights or LES or the countless other shitty neighborhoods on the island of Manhattan.


Just lol at you. I LIVE in LES, little breh. If you think LES is some shitty ghetto, you must be from the suburbs or something, a really ballin' one at that. There are no shitty neighborhoods on MAN-FUCKING-HATTAN, little breh. Neighborhoods that can even be remotely called "shitty" is Washington Heights and Spanish Harlem. But fucking LOL. Yeah, people "accidentally" walk up 60 blocks north of UWS and end up in Washington Heights all the time right? LOL.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby Nelson » Wed May 09, 2012 3:39 pm

HeavenWood wrote:Yeah, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he doesn't know the city very well. Maybe those comments applied 20 years ago, but Philly has been improving by leaps and bounds year after year. The vast majority of Center City, U City/parts of West Philly through to the upper 40s, Grad Hospital, Bella Vista/Queen Village, Fairmount, Northern Liberties, Manayunk/Roxborough, Mt. Airy, Chestnut Hill, etc. etc. etc. are really nice places to live. I happen to like D.C. myself, but my one big issue with the city is its generic BosWash-amalgamation culture. Philly has a definite personality, and its COL is extremely reasonable for an East Coast city.

As for this whole "where does Penn belong?" debate, while its placement is superior to MV, it's also not quite on the level of CCN. PVM probably applies more than anything else, but since MVP is an inherently better acronym, I'll just stick with that.

My god it's a voice of reason.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby 071816 » Wed May 09, 2012 3:53 pm

Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:
chimp wrote:Lol somebody's never been to Washington heights or LES or the countless other shitty neighborhoods on the island of Manhattan.


Just lol at you. I LIVE in LES, little breh. If you think LES is some shitty ghetto, you must be from the suburbs or something, a really ballin' one at that. There are no shitty neighborhoods on MAN-FUCKING-HATTAN, little breh. Neighborhoods that can even be remotely called "shitty" is Washington Heights and Spanish Harlem. But fucking LOL. Yeah, people "accidentally" walk up 60 blocks north of UWS and end up in Washington Heights all the time right? LOL.

Just because you live there doesn't mean that some parts of it aren't "shitty." There are no "shitty" neighborhoods on the Lower East side? C'mon bro.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby Odd Future Wolf Gang » Wed May 09, 2012 4:11 pm

chimp wrote:
Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:
chimp wrote:Lol somebody's never been to Washington heights or LES or the countless other shitty neighborhoods on the island of Manhattan.


Just lol at you. I LIVE in LES, little breh. If you think LES is some shitty ghetto, you must be from the suburbs or something, a really ballin' one at that. There are no shitty neighborhoods on MAN-FUCKING-HATTAN, little breh. Neighborhoods that can even be remotely called "shitty" is Washington Heights and Spanish Harlem. But fucking LOL. Yeah, people "accidentally" walk up 60 blocks north of UWS and end up in Washington Heights all the time right? LOL.

Just because you live there doesn't mean that some parts of it aren't "shitty." There are no "shitty" neighborhoods on the Lower East side? C'mon bro.


Lol fuck. When was the last time you visited New York little breh? The Pre-Giuliani years when MFH, when fucking TIMES SQUARE, was full of crackheads and hookers? Welcome to 2012. There are no "shitty" neighborhoods on Manhattan anymore. And unless by "shitty" you mean trust-fund babies, yuppies, and hipsters, there are no "shitty" areas down in LES.

No joke, I can walk out of my apartment in leopard print tights and sing Adele's "Rolling in the Deep" at the top of my lungs at all hours of the day/night in and around LES, and it would be no big deal, little breh.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby barneytrouble » Wed May 09, 2012 4:18 pm

Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:No joke, I can walk out of my apartment in leopard print tights and sing Adele's "Rolling in the Deep" at the top of my lungs at all hours of the day/night in and around LES, and it would be no big deal, little breh.


That is the definition of a shitty neighborhood.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby Odd Future Wolf Gang » Wed May 09, 2012 4:19 pm

barneytrouble wrote:
Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:No joke, I can walk out of my apartment in leopard print tights and sing Adele's "Rolling in the Deep" at the top of my lungs at all hours of the day/night in and around LES, and it would be no big deal, little breh.


That is the definition of a shitty neighborhood.


I LOL'd.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby 071816 » Wed May 09, 2012 4:24 pm

Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:
chimp wrote:
Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:
chimp wrote:Lol somebody's never been to Washington heights or LES or the countless other shitty neighborhoods on the island of Manhattan.


Just lol at you. I LIVE in LES, little breh. If you think LES is some shitty ghetto, you must be from the suburbs or something, a really ballin' one at that. There are no shitty neighborhoods on MAN-FUCKING-HATTAN, little breh. Neighborhoods that can even be remotely called "shitty" is Washington Heights and Spanish Harlem. But fucking LOL. Yeah, people "accidentally" walk up 60 blocks north of UWS and end up in Washington Heights all the time right? LOL.

Just because you live there doesn't mean that some parts of it aren't "shitty." There are no "shitty" neighborhoods on the Lower East side? C'mon bro.


Lol fuck. When was the last time you visited New York little breh? The Pre-Giuliani years when MFH, when fucking TIMES SQUARE, was full of crackheads and hookers? Welcome to 2012. There are no "shitty" neighborhoods on Manhattan anymore. And unless by "shitty" you mean trust-fund babies, yuppies, and hipsters, there are no "shitty" areas down in LES.

No joke, I can walk out of my apartment in leopard print tights and sing Adele's "Rolling in the Deep" at the top of my lungs at all hours of the day/night in and around LES, and it would be no big deal, little breh.

haha okay. Run through Campos Plaza on East 12th for me tonight wearing leopard print and singing Adele. just for funzies.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby rayiner » Wed May 09, 2012 4:37 pm

willwilliams1334 wrote: It gives better security than its peers, why its in the CCNP bracket


I'm talking about his statement re: "encouraging during exams" not about the bracket. CCNP buys you a little security, but not "bottom falls out" security. See my "YOU'RE FUCKED" statistics: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=181723.

20% of Penn students were "YOU'RE FUCKED" in 2011 versus 25% at NU/Berkeley and 30% at Michigan.

The security is really "hope I'm not bottom quarter" versus "hope I'm not bottom third" security.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby rayiner » Wed May 09, 2012 4:53 pm

Nelson wrote:
rayiner wrote:Again, the operative difference is that in Chicago you can go pretty much anywhere a young yuppie would go without going through a sketch area. West is find out to west town, north is fine out to lakeview, south is fine out south loop. You can't accidentally wander into someplace sketch. In Philly you might have to cross through sketch places to get where you're going, especially from Penn campus.

I didn't want to get involved in this shitshow of a thread, but this is just obviously wrong to anyone who knows anything about Philly's geography. Anywhere that's sketchy near Penn's campus these days is west (or far north) of campus, and you'd have no reason to go there. All of the places you'd be going from Penn are east of campus.


I'm not super familiar with Penn campus, but I've been there (in this decade) and in Philly recently and it reminds me a lot of DC. The bad neighborhoods are interspersed with the good ones. You just said as much. What's a mile west or north of Penn campus? Since they tore down Cabrini Green, it's Disney Land for a 2-3 miles in any direction from NU's downtown campus. From NYU's campus you have to walk a mile and a half east to Avenue D by the river to find the 4-5 sketchy blocks in lower Manhattan. And it's not even particularly sketchy, just a housing project.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby HeavenWood » Wed May 09, 2012 4:56 pm

rayiner wrote:
Nelson wrote:
rayiner wrote:Again, the operative difference is that in Chicago you can go pretty much anywhere a young yuppie would go without going through a sketch area. West is find out to west town, north is fine out to lakeview, south is fine out south loop. You can't accidentally wander into someplace sketch. In Philly you might have to cross through sketch places to get where you're going, especially from Penn campus.

I didn't want to get involved in this shitshow of a thread, but this is just obviously wrong to anyone who knows anything about Philly's geography. Anywhere that's sketchy near Penn's campus these days is west (or far north) of campus, and you'd have no reason to go there. All of the places you'd be going from Penn are east of campus.


I'm not super familiar with Penn campus, but I've been there (in this decade) and in Philly recently and it reminds me a lot of DC. The bad neighborhoods are interspersed with the good ones. You just said as much. What's a mile west or north of Penn campus? Since they tore down Cabrini Green, it's Disney Land for a 2-3 miles in any direction from NU's downtown campus. From NYU's campus you have to walk a mile and a half east to Avenue D by the river to find the 4-5 sketchy blocks in lower Manhattan.

West of campus, things vary wildly. It's super-nice toward Clark Park (area around Baltimore Avenue that spans the 40s), whereas Market Street becomes sketch very quickly. Either way, the wave of gentrification is pusher further West each year. It's only a matter of time before Far West Philly becomes a hipster paradise.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby 20130312 » Wed May 09, 2012 4:58 pm

HeavenWood wrote:It's only a matter of time before Far West Philly becomes a hipster paradise.


PREACH

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby rayiner » Wed May 09, 2012 5:02 pm

HeavenWood wrote:West of campus, things vary wildly. It's super-nice toward Clark Park (area around Baltimore Avenue that spans the 40s), whereas Market Street becomes sketch very quickly. Either way, the wave of gentrification is pusher further West each year. It's only a matter of time before Far West Philly becomes a hipster paradise.


Which is all I'm saying. The gentrification of downtown Chicago and Manhattan happened already over the last 10 years. In Philly it's a lot better than it was when I visited Penn to look at colleges in 2002, but it's not to the point where I can get plastered, point yourself in a random direction, walk a mile, and still be safe.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby 071816 » Wed May 09, 2012 5:04 pm

rayiner wrote:get plastered, point yourself in a random direction, walk a mile, and still be safe.

This isn't advisable in any major city bro. C'mon now.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby Odd Future Wolf Gang » Wed May 09, 2012 5:06 pm

chimp wrote:
rayiner wrote:get plastered, point yourself in a random direction, walk a mile, and still be safe.

This isn't advisable in any major city bro. C'mon now.


U MAD that I can get PLASTERED and walk a mile in any direction while singing Adele's "Rolling in the Deep" in NYC, while you cower under your bed in fear of crackheads over in DC/Philly, little breh?

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby 071816 » Wed May 09, 2012 5:07 pm

Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:
chimp wrote:
rayiner wrote:get plastered, point yourself in a random direction, walk a mile, and still be safe.

This isn't advisable in any major city bro. C'mon now.


U MAD that I can get PLASTERED and walk a mile in any direction while singing Adele's "Rolling in the Deep" in NYC, while you cower under your bed in fear of crackheads over in DC/Philly, little breh?

Yea that's what I said bruh.

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Re: Power of Penn

Postby HeavenWood » Wed May 09, 2012 5:09 pm

chimp wrote:
Odd Future Wolf Gang wrote:U MAD that I can get PLASTERED and walk a mile in any direction while singing Adele's "Rolling in the Deep" in NYC, while you cower under your bed in fear of crackheads over in DC/Philly, little breh?

Yea that's what I said bruh.

This exchange is really fucking dumb.




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