Question: Does the NLJ250 data include those doc review attorneys or only "real" attorneys?
(on a separate note, how does this hypothesis mesh with the salary data? I don't recall last year, but C/O 2009 had 44% earning $145k+)
answer23 wrote:dingbat wrote:http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=183053
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... Bd3c&gid=3
If you're at or above median, Fordham places better.
I'll concede (without looking at any data) that if you're below median, you're better off at ND
OP I would encourage you to look at unbiased data. 19.3% of Fordam's Grads are in JD preferred jobs vs 5.8% at Notre Dame. One thing you need to know about these JD preferred jobs is that a lot of BIGLAW hire JD Preferred grads from Fordham which may overinflated their real placement for the desired partner-track associate positions. (Warning LSAT Logic in next sentence) Just because Fordham places 35% in big law it does not mean all of them are associates. These positions could be for titles like "Special Assignment Legal Assistance" "Legal Analyst" "Special Litigation Support Associate" "associate specialist" these jobs are not desired and are often glorified paralegal positions. Some of them do the same task that a 22 year old paralegal does coming straight out of smith college. A while back the temp document review “lawyers” had a hard time with some 22 year old kid bossing them around. This was a huge blow to the ego of a 38 year old Brooklyn law grad to have a 22 year old kid with a BA in english being his supervisor and signing off on his timesheet. The solution was to hire JD's and have them supervise the temp JD reviewers so that the morale of the doc reviewers wouldn’t be so low. Since Brooklyn, St. john's, New York and Hofstra thought that Fordham is this great law school on the mountain top, the firms would hire Fordham grads to supervise the temp document reviewers. Hence the 19% placement of Fordham grads in JD preferred and the over 35 % into “BIGLAW”. You have to take into account other factors too.
78 % of Fordham Grads were employed at Full Time Jobs vs 90% at Notre Dame
84.4 % of ND grads had full time bar required jobs vs 68 % at Fordham
8.1 % of ND grads were Underemployed vs. 21.2 % at Fordham
The key facts that everyone wants to harp on is the large firm placement
29.7 % at ND vs 35.8 % at Fordham
The likelihood that Fordham’s large firm placement is overinflated is much higher than ND. First the JD preferred category should give you a clue. It’s a whopping 19.3 % at Fordham vs. 5.8 % at ND. How many of these JD preferred candidates are included in Fordham Large firm placement vs ND? Statistically it makes more sense for large firms in nyc to hire special assignment legal analyst assistants supervisors of document temporary reviewers from Fordham. Why would they fly some student half way around the country to do that? Second these position are not lawyer positions. They are case managers. They do the same thing that the Legal Assistants with a BA does. Some firms have been reluctant to called them Staff Attorneys because they might be confused with what a real staff attorney at a reputable agency like the red cross would do.
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