Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

(Rankings, Profiles, Tuition, Student Life, . . . )
simplyxeva
Posts: 13
Joined: Sun May 01, 2011 1:07 pm

Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby simplyxeva » Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:12 pm

Hey all,

I want your frank advice on whether I should go to UC Hastings, UC Davis, Loyola LA, or even Southwestern's Scale program for the full sticker price vs going to La Verne, Western, or Whittier on a full scholarship?

I know you all will talk about job prospects for all of them, but I plan on being opening my own business practice and would like to avoid as much debt as possible. The question is though, is the big name worth the price in the end?

Thanks!

User avatar
Systematic1
Posts: 237
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:14 pm

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby Systematic1 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:14 pm

simplyxeva wrote:The question is though, is the big name worth the price in the end?


What big name?

User avatar
wiseowl
Posts: 1071
Joined: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:38 pm

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby wiseowl » Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:16 pm

I'm assuming all full rides have large stipulations. If you like to gamble, then go all in on the full ride, but don't do so unless you're also willing to pay two years of sticker at the lowers.

User avatar
Nova
Posts: 9116
Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:55 pm

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby Nova » Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:23 pm

simplyxeva wrote:I know you all will talk about job prospects for all of them, but I plan on being opening my own business practice and would like to avoid as much debt as possible. The question is though, is the big name worth the price in the end?

Thanks!



It is damn near impossible to go solo straight out of law school. Law school simply does not teach the skill set to do so. You will need to be employed by someone else at first and Hastings and Davis put you in the best position to do so. They are not worth 200k+ debt though.

What is your GPA/LSAT? would you consider retaking? Where in Cali would you prefer to practice?

simplyxeva
Posts: 13
Joined: Sun May 01, 2011 1:07 pm

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby simplyxeva » Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:29 pm

I have considered retaking, since my score of 156 can be improved upon. My gpa is a 3.93. However, my parents are pressuring me to go to law school right away, and retaking the lsat is quite daunting when there is always the chance they I may not be able to improve my score by much if at all.

I want to stay in southern California, but I am very hesitant about taking on a 200k+ debt...

User avatar
Nova
Posts: 9116
Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:55 pm

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby Nova » Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:36 pm

simplyxeva wrote:I have considered retaking, since my score of 156 can be improved upon. My gpa is a 3.93. However, my parents are pressuring me to go to law school right away, and retaking the lsat is quite daunting when there is always the chance they I may not be able to improve my score by much if at all.

I want to stay in southern California, but I am very hesitant about taking on a 200k+ debt...



OK. This is a no brainer. RETAKE THE LSAT. Most people on this site would kill for that GPA. Do not waste it on a 156.

Your parents are not seeing the big picture. It is your job to explain to them the benifits of sitting out a year and retaking.

Studying for the LSAT is a lot less daunting than incurring 200k debt and praying for legal employment.

User avatar
ConfidenceMan2
Posts: 79
Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:04 am

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby ConfidenceMan2 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:37 pm

simplyxeva wrote:I have considered retaking, since my score of 156 can be improved upon. My gpa is a 3.93. However, my parents are pressuring me to go to law school right away, and retaking the lsat is quite daunting when there is always the chance they I may not be able to improve my score by much if at all.

I want to stay in southern California, but I am very hesitant about taking on a 200k+ debt...


If you've only taken once and you have a LSDAS GPA of 3.93, you have a moral obligation to retake. You could be looking at UCLA/USC with big money or UC-Berk and even possibly a shot at Stanford.

Kindly tell your parents that your future is very likely impacted in a tremendously negative way by not retaking.

User avatar
Tadatsune
Posts: 181
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:17 pm

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby Tadatsune » Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:33 pm

simplyxeva wrote:I have considered retaking, since my score of 156 can be improved upon. My gpa is a 3.93. However, my parents are pressuring me to go to law school right away, and retaking the lsat is quite daunting when there is always the chance they I may not be able to improve my score by much if at all.

I want to stay in southern California, but I am very hesitant about taking on a 200k+ debt...


Explain to them that retaking could mean hundreds of thousands less debt and/or significantly improved job prospects.

karanach
Posts: 2
Joined: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:17 pm

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby karanach » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:26 pm

I agree; pay for one of the stupid classes if you have to in order to force yourself to study, but hit the books a month before the October test, get a 160+ and go to a great program.

User avatar
rickgrimes69
Posts: 1107
Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:56 am

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby rickgrimes69 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:13 am

My god; you have a 3.93 and you were considering settling for a 156? Actually study this time, retake, get a 174+ and enjoy HYS.

User avatar
dpk711
Posts: 1242
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:24 pm

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby dpk711 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:17 am

don't waste that GPA

RETAKE

User avatar
princeR
Posts: 308
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:10 pm

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby princeR » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:00 pm

And TLS saves another lost soul.

apollo2015
Posts: 359
Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:13 am

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby apollo2015 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:41 pm

Do you have access to money/financing that would make retaking viable?

If not, go to Hastings/Davis.

User avatar
Law Sauce
Posts: 923
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:21 pm

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby Law Sauce » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:06 pm

Definitely retake. Even a 165 could get you UVA with an ED with that gpa.

If you did have to go (there is NO way that you should so I'm not sure why I am saying this) then go with the full ride because no job with no debt is better than being underemployed with tons of debt.

But please please retake.

timbs4339
Posts: 2733
Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:19 pm

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby timbs4339 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:35 am

jfc, retake. You're a college grad now and this is a huge investment. Your parents are well-meaning but horribly misinformed. Don't make a poor financial choice when your fortunes could shift dramatically with a few months of work.

User avatar
bk1
Posts: 18406
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:06 pm

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby bk1 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:44 am

apollo2015 wrote:Do you have access to money/financing that would make retaking viable?

If not, go to Hastings/Davis.


Your suggestion for someone who doesn't have money to pay for a retake is that they go into $200,000+ debt for schools with mediocre job prospects?

apollo2015
Posts: 359
Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:13 am

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby apollo2015 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:07 am

bk1 wrote:
Your suggestion for someone who doesn't have money to pay for a retake is that they go into $200,000+ debt for schools with mediocre job prospects?


Their job prospects are fine in the long term. And yes, it is certainly ironic that for some people it is easier to obtain loans for law school than it is to obtain loans for applying to law school.

User avatar
bk1
Posts: 18406
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:06 pm

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby bk1 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:22 am

apollo2015 wrote:Their job prospects are fine in the long term. And yes, it is certainly ironic that for some people it is easier to obtain loans for law school than it is to obtain loans for applying to law school.


Significant portions of the class at schools like Davis and Hastings don't get full time legal jobs. I don't see how that is "fine in the long term." If someone can't get a job and/or fee waivers now to pay for law school apps I'm not convinced that kind of person can go to law school and avoid struggling to land a full time legal job future.

justicefishy
Posts: 497
Joined: Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:02 pm

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby justicefishy » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:14 am

To add onto what everyone else is saying; RETAKE RETAKE RETAKE! That's a Yale GPA there and wasting it would be a crime. :D

nelaw2010
Posts: 253
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:48 am

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby nelaw2010 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:23 am

You 100% have to retake.

I don't know the specifics of your situation, and I don't care.

RETAKE, RETAKE, RETAKE.

If your parents don't understand, have them call me and I'll set them straight.

blurose
Posts: 143
Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:34 am

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby blurose » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:23 am

.
Last edited by blurose on Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:20 am, edited 1 time in total.

blurose
Posts: 143
Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:34 am

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby blurose » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:25 am

nelaw2010 wrote:
If your parents don't understand, have them call me and I'll set them straight.


+1

jackieburden
Posts: 6
Joined: Wed May 16, 2012 1:22 am

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby jackieburden » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:53 am

Nova wrote:
simplyxeva wrote:I have considered retaking, since my score of 156 can be improved upon. My gpa is a 3.93. However, my parents are pressuring me to go to law school right away, and retaking the lsat is quite daunting when there is always the chance they I may not be able to improve my score by much if at all.

I want to stay in southern California, but I am very hesitant about taking on a 200k+ debt...



OK. This is a no brainer. RETAKE THE LSAT. Most people on this site would kill for that GPA. Do not waste it on a 156.

Your parents are not seeing the big picture. It is your job to explain to them the benifits of sitting out a year and retaking.

Studying for the LSAT is a lot less daunting than incurring 200k debt and praying for legal employment.


This.

Also, I wouldn't give my parents that much leverage unless they were actually PAYING for school.

Without that incentive, you just just be straight with them and do better on the lsat.

apollo2015
Posts: 359
Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:13 am

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby apollo2015 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:45 pm

bk1 wrote:Significant portions of the class at schools like Davis and Hastings don't get full time legal jobs. I don't see how that is "fine in the long term."


You have data showing their employment statuses 5 to 25 years out? We are probably thinking of different time horizons by "long term".

User avatar
rinkrat19
Posts: 13913
Joined: Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:35 am

Re: Hastings,Davis,LMU(sticker) vs LaVerne,Western,Whittier $$$$

Postby rinkrat19 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:48 pm

apollo2015 wrote:
bk1 wrote:Significant portions of the class at schools like Davis and Hastings don't get full time legal jobs. I don't see how that is "fine in the long term."


You have data showing their employment statuses 5 to 25 years out? We are probably thinking of different time horizons by "long term".
Unfortunately, if you don't get that first lawyering job, chances are you never get a lawyering job. You might eventually build a successful and satisfying career running a bakery or inventing a better mousetrap, but you likely won't ever be a lawyer.




Return to “Choosing a Law School”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests