GoodFood wrote:dresden doll wrote:I've assisted OP via pms, but the turn this thread has taken compels me to post ITT as well.
If Bils and JollyGreenGiant are being a little abrasive, it's probably because many advice givers here seem atrociously misguided. Specifically, a number of posters have emphasized that 'the cost of traveling will chip away at that 50k difference' while conveniently ignoring two facts: 1) OP's gf is coming with him so he's unlikely to travel to NYC all that frequently and 2) COL differential between Chicago and NYC is IMMENSE. You know how I know? I know because I've spent first two years of lawl school at UChi and I'm at CLS for my third year (for personal reasons that don't at all reflect on my home school). While in Chicago, I lived in a large studio in the best part of the city for 775 a month (all utilities included). At CLS, I pay 1,250 a month for my share of rent in - wait for it - a subsidized, supposedly very cost-effective apartment. My loans have gone up by THOUSANDS due to the COL difference alone. And this is Morningside Heights, a.k.a. the least prestigious part of Manhattan. Which is to say, OP is likely to cough up at least 500 bucks extra in rent each month living around NYU.
Btw, I lived on the Chi-NYC relation throughout all of my 2L before going off to CLS. Total cost of airfare? Less than 1500 when all was said and done. Seriously.
Moving along to address some of the speculation in re: employment prospects, whatever 'advantage' OP gains by hanging out with NYU junior biglawl associates may well be outweighed by the fact that, at UChi, he'd be competing with fewer classmates for NYC biglawl. From what I've heard, firms do like some diversity in their SA classes. Thus, OP may well be advantaged by the small class size coupled with a lesser level of overall interest in NYC biglawl. In etiher case, the marginal benefit of lunching with a first year associate in NYC is immensely outweighed by the fact that OP's loans will be reduced by a third, if not more, if he chooses Chicago.
Lastly, I don't know why anyone assumes that OP is somehow going to wind up miserable outside of NYC. OP's a big boy, and as he's said to me at least, he's down to experience another city. Plenty of NYC natives go to UChi, enjoy themselves and return home, and they're no worse for the experience of having stepped out of the Big Apple for three short years of their lives.
The only factor that really gives me pause here is SO's gf. If she doesn't wind up liking Chicago and doesn't wind up getting a job she's all right with, she may well take her frustration out on him. But this is a risk people take. FWIW, it never materialized with any of my classmates whose SOs came along.
OP here. Agree with all of this.
I'm glad I've spawned a thread that has gone this long, and I appreciate the discussion, but I don't know why some people voting NYU were trying to convince me that the COL differences will almost even out due to travel and whatnot--the gap is WAY too huge between the two cities. Prices in the village are insane (although well worth it IMO ). I also think that there are a LOT of reasons to pick UChi over NYU even if all else is equal.
In the end, I'm going to law school with the aim of joining a profession. As I suggested in my OP, I subscribe to the view that although each location/school has its own unique attributes, ultimately, whether you're "happy" at any given place will be more a measure of your own personality and temperament than anything else. The great concern strangers have shown for my relationship with my SO is very thoughtful , but I don't think the distance will be an insurmountable obstacle. And if it is for anyone who's in a similar situation, saving more than $50,000 in loans should be an incentive to get over it .
ETA: One last bit--between this and the other "UChi Students Taking Questions" thread, I have noticed that there are a few UChi TLSers who really need to chill the fuck out and stop taking the internet so seriously.
You seem to know what you're talking about...
If anything, the distance can be a positive. I currently do something similar (though not Chi--> NYC). The distance can be a great test on the relationship. If your SO puts up with you through the 1L year (and rest of law school), it seems likely you guys could persevere through almost anything. Also, if you're anything like me, you will hate doing a lot of work around your SO. If you're far away, you can gun to your little heart's desire without feeling bad about anything. Of course, it certainly has more downsides than positives, but there are some hidden positives.
As for the UChicago thread, I would've had to second-think going there after reading that. However, I chalk it up to stressed out 1Ls rather than the school. I will say that you WILL find people with similar interests as you. There is a large contingent at that school that are awesome. There are some that aren't as much. Some of those happen to post on TLS...
And someone called me out as an asshole on this thread for noting that location for 1L year is mostly moot and that airfare doesn't cost $50,000? Harsh crowd.
Best of luck to you, OP. It seems like you've done enough due diligence that whatever decision you make will be the correct one.