UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

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UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

UF
16
28%
FSU
32
56%
Stetson
9
16%
 
Total votes: 57

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby duckmoney » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:08 pm

If you're top 10% at either of these schools, you have a decent chance at biglaw in Florida. If you're not, you're going to have to scramble to find legal employment with a small firm. I don't think either school will give you a significantly better shot at this with the other.

I'd take the money at FSU.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby Jess101 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:10 pm

flem wrote:
Jess101 wrote:
flem wrote:
Jess101 wrote:
Yes because people who go to UF tax LLM are all fucked....

Also if you are not going to use the total employment UF does not come in that much better @ 73.4%


I'm talking about LLMs at Stetson. Florida has a great LLM program.

And UF isn't a great option either but their placement is stronger. Also Florida placed almost 17% into firms of 50+. That's significant enough to justify the price difference if you really want FL.


3.3% pursuing graduate school does not mean they are at stetson.... Again most firms in Central florida don't have 50+ attorneys and the Mid Law that doesn't exist does exist here go on martindale there are way more firms with 15-30 attorneys who have associates with 07 08 09 10 graduating years than the Carlton Fields etc.

I am not trying to claim that Stetson is any better than UF/FSU. I just think people really write it off as shitty when its not that bad. I do think its better or equal to UM but that is just my opinion.... If you want big law go to UF/FSU. If you are shooting for 30 attorney insurance defense stetson is not that bad...


I concede that point on where they are pursuing degrees, but it's well known schools offer discounted LLM programs to graduates that are in trouble with the job search.

I still think FSU is the best option here. UF is NOT worth 30K more than a peer school in the same region.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby duckmoney » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:45 pm

Jess101 wrote: I would not pass up Stetson Full ride for sticker at UF especially if I was out of state and wanted to practice in Tampa/Lakeland/Orlando.


I would. Job prospects are UF are scary, but at least most graduates get a job in some field of law. I'm not sure the same is true of Stetson.

If sticker at UF was 50k and not 20k, I might agree with you.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby Jess101 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:26 pm

duckmoney wrote:
Jess101 wrote: I would not pass up Stetson Full ride for sticker at UF especially if I was out of state and wanted to practice in Tampa/Lakeland/Orlando.


I would. Job prospects are UF are scary, but at least most graduates get a job in some field of law. I'm not sure the same is true of Stetson.

If sticker at UF was 50k and not 20k, I might agree with you.



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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby Dc2136 » Tue May 01, 2012 4:43 pm

Do folks here really think UF and FSU are equals? The amount og Gators in big firms is so much more than FSU. FSU and Stetson are actually similar in numbers at large firms in Tampa Bay and Orlando.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby duckmoney » Tue May 01, 2012 7:27 pm

Dc2136 wrote:Do folks here really think UF and FSU are equals? The amount og Gators in big firms is so much more than FSU. FSU and Stetson are actually similar in numbers at large firms in Tampa Bay and Orlando.


Overall they're peer schools. FSU is a smaller school than UF, so sends a lower volume to big law. Many of their students also self-select into government work because of the access to Tallahassee. UF might have a slight firm placement advantage due to the alumni connections, but this difference is probably negligible for an FSU grad who's dead set on firm market in a market he has ties to.

The fact remains that outside the top 10 or 15% of the class, neither of the schools are going to send many people into big law firms.

Also, they are both a cut above Stetson. Look at recent graduates of Stetson and see how they're doing at large firms in Tampa and Orlando.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby rad lulz » Tue May 01, 2012 7:36 pm

I would never go to Stetson ITE if I wanted a job afterward.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby Dc2136 » Wed May 02, 2012 11:43 am

Stetson has just as large an alumni network as FSU.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby flem » Wed May 02, 2012 11:51 am

Dc2136 wrote:Stetson has just as large an alumni network as FSU.


Too bad that doesn't translate into great job placement

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby SunshineMagic » Wed May 02, 2012 2:23 pm

flem wrote:
Dc2136 wrote:Stetson has just as large an alumni network as FSU.


Too bad that doesn't translate into great job placement


Really there are no more 09-11 graduates from FSU in tampa/orlando than 09-11 graduates from stetson on firm websites off martindale.... Of course this does not take into account FSU definitely having way more in Tallahassee, Jacksonville etc.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby SunshineMagic » Wed May 02, 2012 2:25 pm

rad lulz wrote:I would never go to Stetson ITE if I wanted a job afterward.


Well that is because you bash Stetson 24/7 but I do really hope you move to tampa and continue to bash stetson..

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby flem » Wed May 02, 2012 2:31 pm

SunshineMagic wrote:
Really there are no more 09-11 graduates from FSU in tampa/orlando than 09-11 graduates from stetson on firm websites off martindale.... Of course this does not take into account FSU definitely having way more in Tallahassee, Jacksonville etc.


FSU class size: 245
Stetson class size: 337

So over a three year period, Stetson has flooded the market with 300 more grads.

Also the self selection you mentioned
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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby rad lulz » Wed May 02, 2012 2:32 pm

SunshineMagic wrote:
flem wrote:
Dc2136 wrote:Stetson has just as large an alumni network as FSU.


Too bad that doesn't translate into great job placement


Really there are no more 09-11 graduates from FSU in tampa/orlando than 09-11 graduates from stetson on firm websites off martindale.... Of course this does not take into account FSU definitely having way more in Tallahassee, Jacksonville etc.

Bingo; plus class size

SunshineMagic wrote:
rad lulz wrote:I would never go to Stetson ITE if I wanted a job afterward.


Well that is because you bash Stetson 24/7 but I do really hope you move to tampa and continue to bash stetson..

No, it's because they have pathetic employment outcomes and high average indebtedness. One of my TLS bro bros goes there for cheap and has a job lined up with his pre-LS employer, that's a good call. Majority of applicants? Nope.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby SunshineMagic » Wed May 02, 2012 3:10 pm

rad lulz wrote:
SunshineMagic wrote:
flem wrote:
Dc2136 wrote:Stetson has just as large an alumni network as FSU.


Too bad that doesn't translate into great job placement


Really there are no more 09-11 graduates from FSU in tampa/orlando than 09-11 graduates from stetson on firm websites off martindale.... Of course this does not take into account FSU definitely having way more in Tallahassee, Jacksonville etc.

Bingo; plus class size

SunshineMagic wrote:
rad lulz wrote:I would never go to Stetson ITE if I wanted a job afterward.


Well that is because you bash Stetson 24/7 but I do really hope you move to tampa and continue to bash stetson..

No, it's because they have pathetic employment outcomes and high average indebtedness. One of my TLS bro bros goes there for cheap and has a job lined up with his pre-LS employer, that's a good call. Majority of applicants? Nope.


so if you had a big scholarship it's ok why would you say?
I would never go to Stetson ITE if I wanted a job afterward.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby rad lulz » Wed May 02, 2012 3:17 pm

SunshineMagic wrote:so if you had a big scholarship it's ok why would you say?
I would never go to Stetson ITE if I wanted a job afterward.

With the numbers you need to get a scholarship that makes Stetson worthwhile (I'd say about $50k-$65k debt) you can almost assuredly get into UF or FSU and pay in-state, or discounted even further than that.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby SunshineMagic » Wed May 02, 2012 3:19 pm

rad lulz wrote:
SunshineMagic wrote:so if you had a big scholarship it's ok why would you say?
I would never go to Stetson ITE if I wanted a job afterward.

With the numbers you need to get a scholarship that makes Stetson worthwhile (I'd say about $50k-$65k debt) you can almost assuredly get into UF or FSU and pay in-state, or discounted even further than that.


not if you don't have state residency...

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby rad lulz » Wed May 02, 2012 3:21 pm

SunshineMagic wrote:not if you don't have state residency...

Don't go to a FL law school without strong preexisting ties to the state. The FL market is highly parochial. If that means you need to live in FL for a year or two before law school, so be it. The market is just that bad.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby SunshineMagic » Wed May 02, 2012 3:24 pm

rad lulz wrote:
SunshineMagic wrote:not if you don't have state residency...

Don't go to a FL law school without strong preexisting ties to the state. The FL market is highly parochial. If that means you need to live in FL for a year or two before law school, so be it. The market is just that bad.


Just because you don't have state residency does not mean you don't have ties...

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby flem » Wed May 02, 2012 3:27 pm

Bro, it's really obvious you are either attending or will be attending Stetson. Good luck to you, but stop white knighting the school. Employment stats, average indebtedness and class size speak for themselves.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby SunshineMagic » Wed May 02, 2012 3:28 pm

flem wrote:Bro, it's really obvious you are either attending or will be attending Stetson. Good luck to you, but stop white knighting the school. Employment stats, average indebtedness and class size speak for themselves.



maybe I am maybe I'm not but I always fight for the underdog.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby flem » Wed May 02, 2012 3:31 pm

SunshineMagic wrote:

maybe I am maybe I'm not but I always fight for the underdog.


LOL except this "underdog" profits from unsuspecting and uninformed students while leaving them high and dry

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby rad lulz » Wed May 02, 2012 3:37 pm

SunshineMagic wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
SunshineMagic wrote:not if you don't have state residency...

Don't go to a FL law school without strong preexisting ties to the state. The FL market is highly parochial. If that means you need to live in FL for a year or two before law school, so be it. The market is just that bad.


Just because you don't have state residency does not mean you don't have ties...

What do you want me to say? That Stetson might be a good idea for someone who has insanely strong I4 corridor ties (extended family lives there or something) but somehow has not gotten residency, but ALSO has scores good enough to bring the cost to about $50k, and ALSO has some situation (say wife's job in Tampa) that would make him unable to work in other parts of the state?

I'd still do my best to obtain residency and go to UF, but given my general background knowledge of people who go to Stetson and law school applicants in general, my educated guess is that this above situation applies to basically no one. This is sublime idiocy.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby flem » Wed May 02, 2012 3:39 pm

rad lulz wrote:What do you want me to say? That Stetson might be a good idea for someone who has insanely strong I4 corridor ties (extended family lives there or something) but somehow has not gotten residency, but ALSO has scores good enough to bring the cost to about $50k, and ALSO has some situation (say wife's job in Tampa) that would make him unable to work in other parts of the state?

I'd still do my best to obtain residency and go to UF, but given my general background knowledge of people who go to Stetson and law school applicants in general, my educated guess is that this above situation applies to basically no one. This is sublime idiocy.


Stetson is a brilliant choice in this circumstance!

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby lobolawyer » Wed May 02, 2012 3:41 pm

I'm really debt averse, but I voted UF. FSU places about 7% of its grads in firms with more than 50 lawyers while UF places 19% in firms w/more than 50 lawyers. http://placementsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/home.aspx. It's an arbitrary distinction to make, but one that gives you a better chance at a higher salary.

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Re: UF (sticker price) v FSU (half ride) v Stetson (Full Ride)?

Postby rad lulz » Wed May 02, 2012 3:43 pm

flem wrote:
rad lulz wrote:What do you want me to say? That Stetson might be a good idea for someone who has insanely strong I4 corridor ties (extended family lives there or something) but somehow has not gotten residency, but ALSO has scores good enough to bring the cost to about $50k, and ALSO has some situation (say wife's job in Tampa) that would make him unable to work in other parts of the state?

I'd still do my best to obtain residency and go to UF, but given my general background knowledge of people who go to Stetson and law school applicants in general, my educated guess is that this above situation applies to basically no one. This is sublime idiocy.


Stetson is a brilliant choice in this circumstance!

I might also add that this hypothetical person would also be unable to get a job in FL for a year or two to get residency in FL. In which case yes, Stetson would be a brilliant choice. Too bad it's extremely unlikely that someone will have ALL of these characteristics.




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