hung jury wrote: quiver wrote: mworee wrote:
quiver wrote:No. Zero chance at fed clerkships absent some ridiculous connection and an almost zero chance at prestigious PI, again absent some connection. PI is supposedly less numbers based but there are so few jobs in this area that they have their pick of people with great grades AND a demonstrated commitment to PI anyway. If you're 100% fine with just going NYC biglaw, then I'd say NYU. If you really want to gun for clerkships or prestigious gov/PI, I'd go Harvard (the difference in cost isn't astronomical enough to choose NYU over Harvard IMO).
And then there's this. So, if I'm highly unlikely to ever be in the running for the super prestigious stuff at Harvard, it seems like the only point in choosing it over NYU is to hedge against falling into the bottom of the class.
Well prestigious stuff is unlikely from any school relative to biglaw. The point is that Harvard would give you a better chance than NYU at that stuff. So for example, if you'd need to be top 15% at NYU to have a chance at district court clerkships, maybe you would only need top 20-25% at Harvard. So you're increasing your odds but you're also increasing your debt by going to Harvard. Hence why I said to pick NYU if you'd be completely fine just going NYC biglaw. You should be fine either way though; can't go wrong here.
This seems too fomulaic and pessimistic for H prospects. A median student at Harvard and a median student at NYU are not in the same position re: "prestigious" employment, particularly for public interest/government employment that often has a lot more to do with networking and past experience (though NYU obviously has a good PI tradition). I generally think this thread is overestimating the relevance of grades at Harvard. "Median" at Harvard is much more of a nebulous concept with an LP/P/H system. If the goal is NYC biglaw, I'd also be aware that NYU is not a virtual lock for biglaw the way Harvard is.
NYU is a defensible and maybe preferable choice if you're paying 90k less than you would at Harvard, and you'd prefer to stay in NY, but your job prospects at Harvard will be better wherever you end up in the class.
But I really would press NYU on the deadline. You should get to know what your Harvard offer is before you have to decide.
My point was that, for those prestigious positions such as fed clerkships, DOJ, etc., median at NYU and Harvard are
in largely the same position (whether median is a nebulous concept or not). Now the fact that Harvard has a larger and possibly stronger network may help mitigate poor grades with respect to other gov/PI positions and biglaw but my point was merely that, for top-level positions, you need to be at the top of your class at NYU or Harvard, it's just that the "top" at Harvard may be tougher to define and allow more leeway for someone shooting for such positions. And I think everyone agrees that Harvard gives you more of a safety net for biglaw than NYU since you can be further below median (whatever that is) and still get biglaw. OP was only asking about those very prestigious positions in the post I was responding to.
I also agree that OP should push that NYU deadline. It would be kinda unfair to make this important decision without knowing all the relevant info.