ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby flem » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:09 pm

drmguy wrote:Ok, I added 501+Fed.

Employment Data Percentages


So now we finally have the answer to the age old question: Nova Southeastern is actually a better school than Barry by a margin of 10%.

Also, thank you for that.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby hung jury » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:14 pm

drmguy wrote:Ok, I added 501+Fed.

Employment Data Percentages


If I wanted to troll for Stanford, this would seem to be an opportune time.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby arkansawyer » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:15 pm

We really should create a new ranking system based only on this data. At least it would provide a more direct way to assess which schools you should attend.

Bullshit justifications like, "Look at the size of our library!!!", won't hold up if applicants see that only 33% of graduates are employed.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby Bildungsroman » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:21 pm

Decidedly TTT numbers from Yale.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby FlanAl » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:21 pm

Paul Campos wrote:
TemporarySaint wrote:
Julio_El_Chavo wrote:
breadbucket wrote:76% Cornell Grads in Biglaw, seems good to me.


holy shit


Compare with 2011 stats.


Also, six 2010 Cornell grads were working in law school funded jobs in February 2011. This February 26 2011 grads were working in such jobs, i.e., 13% of the class.


Where did you get the info for class of 2011? Also I know that at least two school funded positions are named fellowships to do pi (not easy to get these)

Also what would be an extremely helpful metric would be if we could somehow get info like an nlj go-to list but for SAs. This would give us at least some kind of prediction of how 2012 will fair nine months down the line. Anyone know if something like that exists?

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby Mr. Somebody » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:23 pm

FlanAl wrote:Where did you get the info for class of 2011? Also I know that at least two school funded positions are named fellowships to do pi (not easy to get these)

Also what would be an extremely helpful metric would be if we could somehow get info like an nlj go-to list but for SAs. This would give us at least some kind of prediction of how 2012 will fair nine months down the line. Anyone know if something like that exists?


http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/career ... istics.cfm

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby drmguy » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:31 pm

drmguy wrote:Ok, I added 501+Fed.

Employment Data Percentages

Added tabs for California, New York, DC and Philly

I'm sure I am missing schools because I relied on ctrl + f and the TLS top 100 + tier3/4 lists and not all the state abbreviations are on that list.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby flem » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:35 pm

Jesus Christ, only 50% of Penn State kids land any sort of long term employment.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby Mr. Somebody » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:36 pm

Yikes, Hastings is atrocious. Davis too...

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby drmguy » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:41 pm

drmguy wrote:
drmguy wrote:Ok, I added 501+Fed.

Employment Data Percentages

Added tabs for California, New York, DC and Philly

I'm sure I am missing schools because I relied on ctrl + f and the TLS top 100 + tier3/4 lists and not all the state abbreviations are on that list.


Employment Data Percentages

Last Update: Added T14

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby annet » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:11 pm

This is possibly a stupid question but what is the difference between the "Government" category and the "Federal"/"State & Local" categories?

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby sunynp » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:13 pm

sunynp wrote:What does government employment include? There is a category for government which seems different than the federal and state and local categories.


This is possibly a stupid question but what is the difference between the "Government" category and the "Federal"/"State & Local" categories?


I don't think it is stupid. I couldn't figure it out.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby rayiner » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:16 pm

sunynp wrote:
sunynp wrote:What does government employment include? There is a category for government which seems different than the federal and state and local categories.


This is possibly a stupid question but what is the difference between the "Government" category and the "Federal"/"State & Local" categories?


I don't think it is stupid. I couldn't figure it out.


"Federal" and "State/Local" are referring to federal and state clerkships.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby drmguy » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:17 pm

sunynp wrote:
sunynp wrote:What does government employment include? There is a category for government which seems different than the federal and state and local categories.


This is possibly a stupid question but what is the difference between the "Government" category and the "Federal"/"State & Local" categories?


I don't think it is stupid. I couldn't figure it out.


Scooped
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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:18 pm

arkansawyer wrote:We really should create a new ranking system based only on this data. At least it would provide a more direct way to assess which schools you should attend.

Bullshit justifications like, "Look at the size of our library!!!", won't hold up if applicants see that only 33% of graduates are employed.


It would be very useful new ranking, but it wouldn't lend to apples/apples comparisons. The size of firms vary greatly across the country, not always because of profitability/desirability.

This data makes east coast schools in urban areas like St. Johns look better than the University of Alabama. That's pretty misleading.
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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:19 pm

Has the ABA always released this info? Seeing the size of the firms is critically important. If this is the first year, this is a huge step forward.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby annet » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:24 pm

rayiner wrote:
sunynp wrote:
sunynp wrote:What does government employment include? There is a category for government which seems different than the federal and state and local categories.


This is possibly a stupid question but what is the difference between the "Government" category and the "Federal"/"State & Local" categories?


I don't think it is stupid. I couldn't figure it out.


"Federal" and "State/Local" are referring to federal and state clerkships.


Gottcha, thank you. That makes perfect sense now that you've said it.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby ahnhub » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:30 pm

Anyone else find the comparison between Virginia and Michigan strange?

Michigan has already put out that they employed 61 total c/o 2010 graduates on law-school fellowships, and that 7 of those were still on fellowships at the 9-month mark.

The NALP report seems to be saying 40 Virginia grads were still on post-grad fellowships at the 9-month mark.

Virginia has also put out c/o 2011 information, which lists 64 students on post-grad fellowships. If they are reporting the same way, that means 64 students were still on fellowhips at 9 months? (Michigan has disclosed that 75 total graduates got fellowships, and 8 were still in them at the 9-month mark).

If they are both reporting correctly that's a massive disparity. It seems like Virginia just misreported the numbers, but who knows. Maybe they just handled their postgrad fellowships differently.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:34 pm

One of my wows of the day was UC-Hastings. 56 funded by law school at nine months? Their real employment rate must be like 60%.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby lawyerwannabe » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:35 pm

Isn't this incredibly old and useless data? Didn't we already know that this was one of the worst years for hiring (this is the year the bottom fell out)?

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:37 pm

lawyerwannabe wrote:Isn't this incredibly old and useless data? Didn't we already know that this was one of the worst years for hiring (this is the year the bottom fell out)?


I actually don't remember anymore. Haha but I think the answer is no.

FWIW, TLS has now said the '08, '09, and now '10 were "the worst year for legal hiring/when the bottom fell out."

EDIT: becoming unsure about '08, but definitely remember this said over and over about '09.
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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby laxbrah420 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:39 pm

drmguy wrote:Ok, I added 501+Fed.

Employment Data Percentages

Added tabs for California, New York, DC and Philly

I'm sure I am missing schools because I relied on ctrl + f and the TLS top 100 + tier3/4 lists and not all the state abbreviations are on that list.

Anyway to allow it to be imported to allow sorting? If not, can you sort against a column (anyone besides alphabetical would be cool)
I sort of like my stat of (Employed - Business)/grads and if you include that I can delete (or correct to ".") my post.

Thanks for doing this.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby lawyerwannabe » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:39 pm

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:
lawyerwannabe wrote:Isn't this incredibly old and useless data? Didn't we already know that this was one of the worst years for hiring (this is the year the bottom fell out)?


I actually don't remember anymore. Haha but I think the answer is no.

FWIW, TLS has now said the '08, '09, and now '10 were "the worst year for legal hiring/when the bottom fell out."


Pretty sure the bottom fell out in 2008 which means that this is the final picture of the hiring bottom because the class of 2010 did OCI in 2008.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby rayiner » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:41 pm

lawyerwannabe wrote:Isn't this incredibly old and useless data? Didn't we already know that this was one of the worst years for hiring (this is the year the bottom fell out)?


This is for C/O 2010. This was a bad year, but not the year the bottom fell out. Lehman collapsed in September 2008 after firms had already planned their hiring for the year. It was the next year, OCI 2009 where they cut back dramatically. So the data for C/O 2011 is worse.

The data for C/O 2012 is better, but not by a huge margin. E.g. Chicago went from 69% big law SA's for C/O 2011 to 76% big law SA's for C/O 2012. Still down from 90% big law SA's for C/O 2010.

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Re: ABA just released detailed employment stats for 2010

Postby FlanAl » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:41 pm

lawyerwannabe wrote:
Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:
lawyerwannabe wrote:Isn't this incredibly old and useless data? Didn't we already know that this was one of the worst years for hiring (this is the year the bottom fell out)?


I actually don't remember anymore. Haha but I think the answer is no.

FWIW, TLS has now said the '08, '09, and now '10 were "the worst year for legal hiring/when the bottom fell out."


Pretty sure the bottom fell out in 2008 which means that this is the final picture of the hiring bottom because the class of 2010 did OCI in 2008.

Pretty sure 09s OCI was worse than 08s




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