ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

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ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby mahayes99 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:58 pm

Need help deciding -

Originally from Chicago but attended UG out east & love NYC and Boston, but all my family is in Chi & I would see myself settling down there in the long run.. not sure how I feel about spending 3 years in Champaign or South Bend either.

I also got into W&L with 20K/year, Loyola Chicago 12K/year, and Kent with 18K/year. WL at Fordham and WUSTL, rejected elsewhere.

I'm basically down to ND and U of I because they are the best schools I'm in and have a place in the Chicago Market, and then Brooklyn because of the scholarship and living in a city.

3.15/165, not going to retake. Any advice is welcome!

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby mcdeeremitch » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:09 pm

With your other schools I say Brooklyn needs to be out...unless you are just extremely debt adverse

your other options are good though...I'm actually torn between W&L and ND myself right now ( Im leaning more towards w&L because i feel it would be easier for placement on the east coast)...but for Chicago I think ND is your best bet even at 10k/year more becasue it probably will have a better national reach than UIUC just in case you find yourself wanting to move outside Chicago after three years

have you tried negotiating with ND?..you might be able to pull off $7500 or $10k with your other offers

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby mahayes99 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:14 pm

yes - tried to negotiate with both u of i and ND and there was no change

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby DTDT » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:46 pm

Decent money considering your stats. These are the only options?

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby cinephile » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:49 pm

So what's the total at UIUC?

If it's $10k/yr, I'd take it. Even if not, I'd still take it if you're okay with ending up in Illinois, but not necessarily Chicago.

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby mahayes99 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:05 pm

total tuition for u of i is just under 30K a year - and I don't think I would be OK with anywhere outside the general Chicago area.

I just don't see Loyola or Kent being worth anything less than a full ride (same as Brooklyn), and Loyola denied my scholarship increase request, and I am waiting on Kent's reply.

Basically, how irresponsible is it go to to ND at sticker? do people think it's worth the risk?

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby Ludo! » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:07 pm

Why in the world is ND in the running? Illinois by a mile

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby mahayes99 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:10 pm

care to elaborate on why Illinois "by a mile"? just based on costs or other things?

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby Ludo! » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:26 pm

You want to work in Chicago, Illinois places equally if not better in Chicago, and you're getting money plus instate tuition. I don't know the exact stats off hand but anecdotally based off of last year's OCI threads comparing the two schools, Illinois seemed to have more firms and more people getting offers. If ND ups their scholarship offer then maybe you have a tougher choice, but I can't imagine any ND student on here would tell you to go there at sticker.

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby DTDT » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:15 pm

I'm still in awe someone offered the op a full ride with those numbers

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby LST » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:47 am

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby blurbz » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:53 am

LST wrote:Unless you are extremely debt-averse, to the point that you would be willing to sever your Illinois ties, I think U of I sounds like the best bet. ND isn't a bad school if you are looking to work in Chicago, but I don't think it exceeds U of I to the point that you should have to take out 190k (ND sticker COA for 3 years).



That's because ND doesn't exceed Illinois at all in Chicago placement. hth.


Besides my snark, it's pretty clear you should choose Illinois. Instead of restating it, I'll just quote the relevant post:

Ludovico Technique wrote:You want to work in Chicago, Illinois places equally if not better in Chicago, and you're getting money plus instate tuition. I don't know the exact stats off hand but anecdotally based off of last year's OCI threads comparing the two schools, Illinois seemed to have more firms and more people getting offers. If ND ups their scholarship offer then maybe you have a tougher choice, but I can't imagine any ND student on here would tell you to go there at sticker.

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Postby LST » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:50 am

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby blurbz » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:56 am

I gotcha. No big deal. I'm willing to take the position that ND doesn't exceed Illinois generally, either. They are, for all intents and purposes, nearly identical.

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby noggo10 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:04 pm

Go to UI. Notre Dmae is way too expensive at that price.

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby mahayes99 » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:57 pm

UPDATE:

ND = 8K/year
UIUC = same
Madison = 10K/year

Right now Illinois and Wisconsin are the same price, ND about 20/20K more in total. Thoughts?

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby Ludo! » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:01 pm

Unless ND or Wisconsin offers you substantially more than Illinois I'm not sure why you would even consider them. You want to work in Chicago, Illinois places the best in Chicago out of the 3. This seems like a pretty easy decision to me.

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby BearsGrl » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:02 pm

mahayes99 wrote:UPDATE:

ND = 8K/year
UIUC = same
Madison = 10K/year

Right now Illinois and Wisconsin are the same price, ND about 20/20K more in total. Thoughts?


It should only be U of I if you want Chicago.

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby CanadianWolf » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:04 pm

Why not calculate the total COA for each school & post those numbers ?

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby mahayes99 » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:17 pm

for loans, I would be taking out this (approximately) for each for COA:

ND ~ 125K
UIUC ~ 100K
Wisconsin ~ 100K

Brooklyn ~ 30K
Kent ~ 90K

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby fogcue2 » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:48 pm

with the difference cut in half from 50k to 25k between ND and Illinois, I think it's more of a coin flip. I would have said take Illinois for 50K less and I'm at ND, for equal price I would take ND, not sure exactly where the line falls, but as they get closer in price, its something to think about

The things that I would argue that ND does a little bit better

-I would agree that ND adds a little mobility (but that doesn't seem important to you),
-it also adds to the clerkship potential (if that's something your interested in) and many of those end up in big law after the clerkship
-also assuming you end up outside the big law calculus. I think the secondary outcomes are a little bit better from ND. Little bit more loyal network

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby CanadianWolf » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:50 pm

When viewing the total COA for each law school, it looks like a four way race.

You wrote that you tried to negotiate with Illinois & Notre Dame, your top two--which makes sense in light of your target market of Chicago--but consider asking Brooklyn & Wisconsin to increase their offers if you are still seriously considering them.

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby BearsGrl » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:57 pm

I'd also say to tour all of them as the feel of where they are located will be "drastically" different from one another. Without having been to U of I, I'm sure it's comparable overall in regional feel to ND, but having been to ND to check it out as a UG, you need to see the schools in order to get a feel for where you feel is best.

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Re: ND sticker, UIUC 10K + instate, or BLS full ride? help!

Postby romothesavior » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:10 pm

mahayes99 wrote:for loans, I would be taking out this (approximately) for each for COA:

ND ~ 125K
UIUC ~ 100K
Wisconsin ~ 100K

Brooklyn ~ 30K
Kent ~ 90K

Not really liking any of them too much at the cost, but I suppose 100k debt at UIUC isn't a bad option. It is your best option for all the reasons Ludovico has mentioned.




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