Law School Transparency Data

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imbored25
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Law School Transparency Data

Postby imbored25 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:14 pm

Anyone have any idea on when the class of 2010 data will come out

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby rad lulz » Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:16 pm

You could email em and poast back here; they are pretty nice dudes.

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby imbored25 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:26 pm

rad lulz wrote:You could email em and poast back here; they are pretty nice dudes.


email sent

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby jenesaislaw » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:16 pm

imbored25 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:You could email em and poast back here; they are pretty nice dudes.


email sent


Really? We didn't get it. I don't think the plugin we're using works very well...will just program one from scratch I guess. Fortunately I got a Google Alert for the OP.


In any case, we're really close to releasing 2010 data. It will be by far the most comprehensive release of law school employment data ever. We are combining data from three sources to provide the most complete picture possible for each school, and then will make it so the data are comparable. We have data from U.S. News, school websites, and school-specific NALP reports (for 45 or so schools only, sadly and incredibly). Once the ABA releases data, we will add that too (though it won't be much more than we've already managed to snag).

It is an incredibly labor-intensive task to fit the data together from three sources because there's some amount of data drift due to the different reporting deadlines. As such, it isn't as easy as just plugging data into the spreadsheet. We have to comb over each school to see what's going on. The result will be imperfect, but should be reliable broadly.

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby rad lulz » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:23 pm

JNSL, you and Obs should poast here moar bro

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby jenesaislaw » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:29 pm

If we had sufficient funding that'd be a lot easier...

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby rad lulz » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:36 pm

jenesaislaw wrote:If we had sufficient funding that'd be a lot easier...

I have poasted thousands of times for free!

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby imbored25 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:06 pm

jenesaislaw wrote:If we had sufficient funding that'd be a lot easier...


I'll donate once I start making that big law salary

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby imbored25 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:07 pm

jenesaislaw wrote:
imbored25 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:You could email em and poast back here; they are pretty nice dudes.


email sent


Really? We didn't get it. I don't think the plugin we're using works very well...will just program one from scratch I guess. Fortunately I got a Google Alert for the OP.


In any case, we're really close to releasing 2010 data. It will be by far the most comprehensive release of law school employment data ever. We are combining data from three sources to provide the most complete picture possible for each school, and then will make it so the data are comparable. We have data from U.S. News, school websites, and school-specific NALP reports (for 45 or so schools only, sadly and incredibly). Once the ABA releases data, we will add that too (though it won't be much more than we've already managed to snag).

It is an incredibly labor-intensive task to fit the data together from three sources because there's some amount of data drift due to the different reporting deadlines. As such, it isn't as easy as just plugging data into the spreadsheet. We have to comb over each school to see what's going on. The result will be imperfect, but should be reliable broadly.


Thanks for the info and hard work

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby minnbills » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:08 pm

jenesaislaw wrote:If we had sufficient funding that'd be a lot easier...


thank you for your work, it is definitely appreciated!

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby john1990 » Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:48 am

+1

LST is a great resource. Keep up the good work

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby sunynp » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:20 am

jenesaislaw wrote:If we had sufficient funding that'd be a lot easier...


How much do you need? I think part of the problem is that students are generally broke.

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby romothesavior » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:48 am

rad lulz wrote:
jenesaislaw wrote:If we had sufficient funding that'd be a lot easier...

I have poasted thousands of times for free!

Not thousands yet. You're only at 1,700.

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby rad lulz » Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:43 pm

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby jenesaislaw » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:40 am

sunynp wrote:
jenesaislaw wrote:If we had sufficient funding that'd be a lot easier...


How much do you need? I think part of the problem is that students are generally broke.


Yup, exactly. Those who benefit most have no money. Those who are the most sympathetic are also broke. Turns out that our policy work doesn't interest many (if any) grant-making foundations.

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby Gail » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:43 pm

jenesaislaw wrote:
sunynp wrote:
jenesaislaw wrote:If we had sufficient funding that'd be a lot easier...


How much do you need? I think part of the problem is that students are generally broke.


Yup, exactly. Those who benefit most have no money. Those who are the most sympathetic are also broke. Turns out that our policy work doesn't interest many (if any) grant-making foundations.


Is there any way to expand it past law school? If you could do the same for undergraduate, I think there might be some funding for that. If I had known what college actually entailed, I never would have gone to undergrad. I would have gotten a technical degree and done something useful.

Would be a gigantic project though. A lot of resources.

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby rad lulz » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:50 pm

jenesaislaw wrote:
sunynp wrote:
jenesaislaw wrote:If we had sufficient funding that'd be a lot easier...


How much do you need? I think part of the problem is that students are generally broke.


Yup, exactly. Those who benefit most have no money. Those who are the most sympathetic are also broke. Turns out that our policy work doesn't interest many (if any) grant-making foundations.

If I get an offer from my summer jerb, I'll cut yall a hundy.

Is it tax deductible?

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby jenesaislaw » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:15 pm

It is tax deductible, but it's doubtful that you'd have enough other deductions for that to be relevant (i.e. your personal exemption deduction of $3800 is probably more than the sum of all other deductions you could make).

Re: the idea of expanding to colleges, it would be a huge (and different) challenge with more likely funding. But, we're not just after funding for the sake of funding. Expanding to colleges simply amounts to too much mission creep for us to do through LST.

That said, we've already seen LST as an example for how to deal with colleges and had these conversations with higher education thinktanks. We were also mentioned in an Atlantic article on applying job outcome transparency to all of higher ed, as is the general plan for the Obama administration. We have a lot to contribute on this front and will do so, but it will only be in a consulting role for now.

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Re: Law School Transparency Data

Postby imbored25 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:06 pm

you bros think the data will be out by the end of the month




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