1. You're ignoring that when you include 26+ attorney law firms, Baylor tightens up with SMU/UH, and Baylor creates some separation with Tech.
It still isn't enough of a difference to change anything I have been saying all along. It isn't enought to say that it is UH/SMU/Baylor>>Tech instead of UH/SMU>>Baylor/Tech
2. What the data says to me is that the same relative class standing at Baylor/UH/SMU should get you roughly equal employment outcomes; we can't say the same for Tech. Just roughly eyeballing it, magna/coif/LR @ Baylor/SMU/UH = biglaw.
Where do you get this? If only 10% of Baylor gets biglaw, they will likely have one of those credentials in addition to top 10-15%, just like at Tech. if Tech has about 5-6% get Biglaw, then they will have one of those credentials in addition to top 10-15%. The difference isn't that big, and we have been going back and forth ovr this too long. SMU and UH have higher class ranks percentage, by another 5 to 10%, which is why I have been arguing UH/SMU>>Baylor/Tech.
At Baylor/SMU/UH ~Top 10-30% = 26+ attorney firm. At Tech, Top 10%/magna/coif/LR = 26+ attorney firm.
Again youre minimizing the tech stats and inflating the baylor stats. when did 15-19% become closer to 30% than 10%? SMU and UH have closer to 30% in firms with 26+. Eyeballing, I would think Baylor has close to 17% average over the last three years. Tech is around 9-10%. Is it really that big a stretch to you that I am saying 17 is closer to 10 than it is to 30?
Add in the fact that Baylor's LSAT/GPA medians are basically the same as SMU/UH. The average student at Baylor also gets in to SMU/UH. The overwhelming majority of SMU/UH/Baylor students also were or would have been admitted to Tech. Using your number from earlier, perhaps a third of Tech students also got into SMU/UH/Baylor? I just don't see Baylor and Tech on the same level.
I disagree with most of this. I don't think the average Baylor student got into SMU/UH. I think it is higher than 30%, but I don't think it is 50%. You seem to forget that Baylor's fall numbers are a lot higher for Fall quarter than its other quarters. These students (fall) most likely got into SMU and UH. But the other two quarters didn't.
b.gump81 wrote:Furthermore, it isn’t just a matter of preferring a 10% chance over a 5%. First of all, things aren’t equal, and that inequality may have a direct impact on this percentage. A tech student will have half the debt of a Baylor student, which likely affects some of the numbers. A student with less debt may be more inclined to not pursue Biglaw/money and pursue the “nobler” causes and jobs they came to law school for. I am right outside top 10%, and I have decided I want nothing to do with Biglaw.
You're confusing cost of attendance with debt. You don't think there are a handful of students at Baylor who have low debt, qualify for biglaw, but have no interest in it? Say there are a handful of students like you at Tech (and not to be an ass, but I don't think outside of Top 10% at Tech will get you biglaw), you don't think there are a handful of students like that Baylor?
I said there would be 1 or 2 MORE at Tech than Baylor. I never doubted that Baylor has some students that dont sell out. But I think the fact that Tech has lower debt/student in general, it is more likely that students will self-select out of biglaw.
And why would you think outside top 10% at Tech wouldnt have a shot at Biglaw, after all the data I have painstakingly posted? For all you know, I could be top 12%, on LR, had a 1L SA, and am brothers with the hiring partner. Even with all things equal, most firms at Tech OCI require only top 15-20%. Just because 6-7% of class ends up in Biglaw doesnt mean that only TOP 10% had a shot.
Seriously? This is exactly why percentages are so important in making these comparisons. You have to be trolling me now. A couple = 2. 2/210 = < 1% 20/637 = 3.1%. 20 Georgetown students self-selecting out of biglaw will have a much bigger impact on Georgetown's placement RATE than "a couple of Tech students self-selecting" out of biglaw. This is why we use percentages. Beyond that, you're back to your assumption that 1 or 2 people at Tech are self-selecting out of biglaw while none are at Baylor. I don't buy it.
Georgetown ~30% in biglaw (198/600). Penn had ~60% (156/250). A 3% difference doesnt really mean as much to me when the gap is that large (30%). But when the gap is only 5%, like it is with baylor and Tech, a 1% difference means a heck of a lot more. Dont troll the troll.
Ok, I really do enjoy this stuff, because I feel like it gives me a chance to try and correct some misconceptions about Tech, but I have to get to studying. I find that people largely buy into the USNWR and automatically write it off as a typical TTT. Even if we don't agree on whether Baylor and Tech are peer schools, you at least have to agree Tech is not a typical TTT and has numbers higher than its rank would indicate and that Baylor has worse employment numbers than its rank would indicate. USNWR is a horrible, horrible thing.