USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

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Cornell (sticker) vs. USC 90K

Cornell
35
27%
USC (90K)
95
73%
 
Total votes: 130

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby Dany » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:16 pm

seancris wrote:Cornell sticker is insane.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby ocuviper » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:39 pm

So no one would go to Cornell at full tuition?

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby Dany » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:40 pm

ocuviper wrote:So no one would go to Cornell at full tuition?

I'm sure some people would. I would never.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby tennisking88 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:46 pm

ocuviper wrote:Thank you guys for all of your input. Since reading the arguments for Cornell, my decision has become even more difficult.

Just to clarify I tried and failed to negotiate anything from Cornell. Thoughts?


You're considering paying 90k+ more to live in Ithaca for 3 years at a marginally better school than the one located in downtown Los Angeles? Don't think it's that hard a decision.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby 071816 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:01 pm

In my opinion, Cornell declining to negotiate with you makes this decision pretty easy. Go with USC.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:47 pm

USC

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby woeisme » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:42 pm

ocuviper wrote:So no one would go to Cornell at full tuition?


Many people make this choice regularly. It depends on the person. I would and did make a choice similar to this. Have you visited both?

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby woeisme » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:43 pm

tennisking88 wrote:
You're considering paying 90k+ more to live in Ithaca?


But Ithaca is gorges...

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby keg411 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:50 pm

woeisme wrote:
ocuviper wrote:So no one would go to Cornell at full tuition?


Many people make this choice regularly. It depends on the person. I would and did make a choice similar to this. Have you visited both?


My sister did, but Cornell was about $100k cheaper then... and she graduated in 2010.
I will say that COL is basically nothing in Ithaca if you're willing to live in some of the "not nice" housing.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby johansantana21 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:06 am

keg411 wrote:
woeisme wrote:
ocuviper wrote:So no one would go to Cornell at full tuition?


Many people make this choice regularly. It depends on the person. I would and did make a choice similar to this. Have you visited both?


My sister did, but Cornell was about $100k cheaper then... and she graduated in 2010.
I will say that COL is basically nothing in Ithaca if you're willing to live in some of the "not nice" housing.


Cornell wasn't 100k cheaper in the past 5 years.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby top30man » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:10 am

johansantana21 wrote:
keg411 wrote:
woeisme wrote:
ocuviper wrote:So no one would go to Cornell at full tuition?


Many people make this choice regularly. It depends on the person. I would and did make a choice similar to this. Have you visited both?


My sister did, but Cornell was about $100k cheaper then... and she graduated in 2010.
I will say that COL is basically nothing in Ithaca if you're willing to live in some of the "not nice" housing.


Cornell wasn't 100k cheaper in the past 5 years.

Why is there so much Cornell at sticker hate but not similar feelings for MVPBDN?

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby Dany » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:10 am

top30man wrote:Why is there so much Cornell at sticker hate but not similar feelings for MVPBDN?

I wouldn't attend those at sticker either.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby keg411 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:12 am

johansantana21 wrote:
keg411 wrote:
woeisme wrote:
ocuviper wrote:So no one would go to Cornell at full tuition?


Many people make this choice regularly. It depends on the person. I would and did make a choice similar to this. Have you visited both?


My sister did, but Cornell was about $100k cheaper then... and she graduated in 2010.
I will say that COL is basically nothing in Ithaca if you're willing to live in some of the "not nice" housing.


Cornell wasn't 100k cheaper in the past 5 years.


Sticker was $160k then (including COL), now it's $250k. That's... $100k cheaper.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby top30man » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:13 am

Dany wrote:
top30man wrote:Why is there so much Cornell at sticker hate but not similar feelings for MVPBDN?

I wouldn't attend those at sticker either.

Fair enough.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby johansantana21 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:16 am

keg411 wrote:Sticker was $160k then (including COL), now it's $250k. That's... $100k cheaper.


Tuition hasn't gone up $90k, and neither has COL.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby woeisme » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:27 am

top30man wrote:Why is there so much Cornell at sticker hate but not similar feelings for MVPBDN?


I haven't noticed that sentiment. If it exists it might be because Cornell's tuition is a bit higher than at the others?

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby ocuviper » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:01 pm

woeisme wrote:
top30man wrote:Why is there so much Cornell at sticker hate but not similar feelings for MVPBDN?


I haven't noticed that sentiment. If it exists it might be because Cornell's tuition is a bit higher than at the others?


Ironically, that seems to be the sentiment on this thread. Is Cornell known to be fairly accurate with its employment data? I know it sounds crazy but I'm thinking that the debt may be worth it if "80% get 100+ firm gigs"

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby seancris » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:18 pm

ocuviper wrote:
woeisme wrote:
top30man wrote:Why is there so much Cornell at sticker hate but not similar feelings for MVPBDN?


I haven't noticed that sentiment. If it exists it might be because Cornell's tuition is a bit higher than at the others?


Ironically, that seems to be the sentiment on this thread. Is Cornell known to be fairly accurate with its employment data? I know it sounds crazy but I'm thinking that the debt may be worth it if "80% get 100+ firm gigs"


Dude, if you won't listen to people in this thread just listen to yourself. It sounds crazy. It's a quarter of a million dollars.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby Mr. Somebody » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:32 pm

seancris wrote:
ocuviper wrote:
woeisme wrote:
top30man wrote:Why is there so much Cornell at sticker hate but not similar feelings for MVPBDN?


I haven't noticed that sentiment. If it exists it might be because Cornell's tuition is a bit higher than at the others?


Ironically, that seems to be the sentiment on this thread. Is Cornell known to be fairly accurate with its employment data? I know it sounds crazy but I'm thinking that the debt may be worth it if "80% get 100+ firm gigs"


Dude, if you won't listen to people in this thread just listen to yourself. It sounds crazy. It's a quarter of a million dollars.


Is a quarter of a million really that much crazier than 220-240k at other T14's?

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby woeisme » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:32 pm

seancris wrote:Dude, if you won't listen to people in this thread just listen to yourself. It sounds crazy. It's a quarter of a million dollars.


Just to be the devil's advocate, ... people alllll the time make decisions comparable to this one. People are all up in arms right now because of the state of the current economy, but I don't think USC is so clearly the better choice here. It really does depend on career goals. If, for example, you're wanting NYC biglaw, Cornell sticker is definitely the way to go, and it's worth the financial hit.

FWIW, I would take Cornell sticker over USC with 90k. But that doesn't mean OP should do this.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby seancris » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:36 pm

Mr. Somebody wrote:Is a quarter of a million really that much crazier than 220-240k at other T14's?


No, I wouldn't pay that much at any school other than HYS.

And OP should understand that in 2009 Cornell placed only around 50% into NLJ250 & art. III clerkships.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby Mr. Somebody » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:39 pm

seancris wrote:
Mr. Somebody wrote:Is a quarter of a million really that much crazier than 220-240k at other T14's?


No, I wouldn't pay that much at any school other than HYS.

And OP should understand that in 2009 Cornell placed only around 50% into NLJ250 & art. III clerkships.


Well I think that's the point people are making, I hardly see anyone saying that sticker at Mich, Virginia etc is insane. I agree with you though that non-HYS T14's at sticker is very dangerous.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby seancris » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:16 pm

Mr. Somebody wrote:
seancris wrote:
Mr. Somebody wrote:Is a quarter of a million really that much crazier than 220-240k at other T14's?


No, I wouldn't pay that much at any school other than HYS.

And OP should understand that in 2009 Cornell placed only around 50% into NLJ250 & art. III clerkships.


Well I think that's the point people are making, I hardly see anyone saying that sticker at Mich, Virginia etc is insane. I agree with you though that non-HYS T14's at sticker is very dangerous.


I think part of it is that Cornell places best into NE biglaw, where CoL is highest. @ UVA I can see placement in the south where the CoL is significantly lower. 160k goes further in a lot of SE cities than for someone living in Manhatten.

I would probably say that Cornell sticker is the most dangerous T14 investment from my POV. Maybe GULC.

Either way I should clarify my position that sticker investment is probably not the way I would go at non-HYS.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby johansantana21 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:23 pm

seancris wrote:
Mr. Somebody wrote:Is a quarter of a million really that much crazier than 220-240k at other T14's?


No, I wouldn't pay that much at any school other than HYS.

And OP should understand that in 2009 Cornell placed only around 50% into NLJ250 & art. III clerkships.


And the year before that? The year after that? Exactly.

Lower T14 is interchangeable. Stop sounding silly.

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Re: USC 90K vs. Cornell Sticker

Postby ryemanhattan » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:42 pm

the difference between $120k and $220k debt is much more than $100k.

NYC Biglaw is not something that any rational person should aspire to. Best case scenario out of Cornell you'll have all your debt paid off by 2020. That's a lot of seventy hour weeks just to break even. Non-best-case scenarios are unthinkable.

USC, unquestionably.

If you allow the lay prestige of Cornell to sway you in this decision it will bite you in the ass.




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