GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

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GULC sticker
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4%
Cornell 45k
53
66%
Vandy 75k
14
18%
UT 85,500
10
13%
 
Total votes: 80

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby msblaw89 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:39 pm

Can someone explain more about why ties are so important? If I have a degree from a top 20 law school...lets say at least top 25% or class, and finance/spouse lives in Chicago...why would I have such a hard time convincing a firm to take me? And why do they need convincing? Why aren't they more like law schools who take the best they can get despite undergrad institution?

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby msblaw89 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:40 pm

msblaw89 wrote:Can someone explain more about why ties are so important? If I have a degree from a top 20 law school...lets say at least top 25% or class, and finance/spouse lives in Chicago...why would I have such a hard time convincing a firm to take me? And why do they need convincing? Why aren't they more like law schools who take the best they can get despite undergrad institution?


I'm using Chicago generally..you could insert any city

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby rad lulz » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:46 pm

msblaw89 wrote:Can someone explain more about why ties are so important? If I have a degree from a top 20 law school...lets say at least top 25% or class, and finance/spouse lives in Chicago...why would I have such a hard time convincing a firm to take me? And why do they need convincing? Why aren't they more like law schools who take the best they can get despite undergrad institution?

Top 25% and a spouse in Chi may be enough.

But generally, they're trying to avoid basically people with your life plan, people picking up and moving around. As a first and second year associate you're not that profitable, if at all, and they need to train you, since law school teaches you basically jack shit. They don't want to train people and have them leave once they're trained.

As you grow in the firm, firms like people who are part of the community and know people around town, because that's how you get a decent portion of business. You develop relationships with people, which creates business. This advantage is squandered if you want to move around all the time.

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby johansantana21 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:55 pm

rad lulz wrote:Also why is V50 a relevant cutoff?

Answer: it's not.

Also depending on how often you move around, making partner at a large or medium sized firm is gonna be difficult.

Edit: just incidentally, wanting to work at a V50 firm means you'd rather work for DLA Piper than Alston & Bird, Troutman, Kilpatrick, McGuire Woods, K&L Gates etc. (all strong firms in CLT and ATL).


Hey bro, DLA Piper is a damn fine firm.

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby rad lulz » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:04 pm

johansantana21 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:Also why is V50 a relevant cutoff?

Answer: it's not.

Also depending on how often you move around, making partner at a large or medium sized firm is gonna be difficult.

Edit: just incidentally, wanting to work at a V50 firm means you'd rather work for DLA Piper than Alston & Bird, Troutman, Kilpatrick, McGuire Woods, K&L Gates etc. (all strong firms in CLT and ATL).


Hey bro, DLA Piper is a damn fine firm.

Enjoy it brother

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby johansantana21 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:06 pm

rad lulz wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:Also why is V50 a relevant cutoff?

Answer: it's not.

Also depending on how often you move around, making partner at a large or medium sized firm is gonna be difficult.

Edit: just incidentally, wanting to work at a V50 firm means you'd rather work for DLA Piper than Alston & Bird, Troutman, Kilpatrick, McGuire Woods, K&L Gates etc. (all strong firms in CLT and ATL).


Hey bro, DLA Piper is a damn fine firm.

Enjoy it brother

They rejected me. Not even a callback.

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby rad lulz » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:08 pm

johansantana21 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:Also why is V50 a relevant cutoff?

Answer: it's not.

Also depending on how often you move around, making partner at a large or medium sized firm is gonna be difficult.

Edit: just incidentally, wanting to work at a V50 firm means you'd rather work for DLA Piper than Alston & Bird, Troutman, Kilpatrick, McGuire Woods, K&L Gates etc. (all strong firms in CLT and ATL).


Hey bro, DLA Piper is a damn fine firm.

Enjoy it brother

They rejected me. Not even a callback.

I didn't even get a screener.

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby msblaw89 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:14 pm

If I have 1. no particular ties to the region X 2. Fiance/spouse lives in region X 3. I am dead set on region X and would likely be there for a long time 4. Hoping to eventually become in-house

Does any one of the schools have a greater advantage over the others?

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby rad lulz » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:16 pm

msblaw89 wrote:If I have 1. no particular ties to the region X 2. Fiance/spouse lives in region X 3. I am dead set on region X and would likely be there for a long time 4. Hoping to eventually become in-house

Does any one of the schools have a greater advantage over the others?

As others have implied, depends on what region X is.

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby keg411 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:25 pm

rad lulz wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:If I have 1. no particular ties to the region X 2. Fiance/spouse lives in region X 3. I am dead set on region X and would likely be there for a long time 4. Hoping to eventually become in-house

Does any one of the schools have a greater advantage over the others?

As others have implied, depends on what region X is.


+1. Law is a very bad career choice if you want to be able to "move around a lot".

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby msblaw89 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:36 pm

keg411 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:If I have 1. no particular ties to the region X 2. Fiance/spouse lives in region X 3. I am dead set on region X and would likely be there for a long time 4. Hoping to eventually become in-house

Does any one of the schools have a greater advantage over the others?

As others have implied, depends on what region X is.


+1. Law is a very bad career choice if you want to be able to "move around a lot".


Great...Love vs. Career

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby rad lulz » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:39 pm

You read the FA thread in the lounge lately? Go with love.

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby msblaw89 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:45 pm

rad lulz wrote:You read the FA thread in the lounge lately? Go with love.

Can you direct me to it please? :)

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby rad lulz » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:47 pm

msblaw89 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:You read the FA thread in the lounge lately? Go with love.

Can you direct me to it please? :)

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=163134

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby FlanAl » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:02 pm

This is probably the last thing you want to hear, especially since you have some really great options on the table BUT I say re-take if you can. If your numbers are accurate, with a better lsat you should be able to get a school that fits better with your goals. top 25% at chicago for chicago is way better than top 25% at a t20. Also I don't know how your cycle is going but I'd imagine that you are still on some wait lists, I'd pursue those actively. Also since there is probably no way your fiancé is going to be able to live in ithaca or NYC I'd scratch Cornell unless he actually gets placed in Syracuse.

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby msblaw89 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:20 pm

FlanAl wrote:This is probably the last thing you want to hear, especially since you have some really great options on the table BUT I say re-take if you can. If your numbers are accurate, with a better lsat you should be able to get a school that fits better with your goals. top 25% at chicago for chicago is way better than top 25% at a t20. Also I don't know how your cycle is going but I'd imagine that you are still on some wait lists, I'd pursue those actively. Also since there is probably no way your fiancé is going to be able to live in ithaca or NYC I'd scratch Cornell unless he actually gets placed in Syracuse.


Retaking isn't an option at this point. It would also be my 3rd time taking the exam, which I don't think looks too good. I am on the WL at Duke...so I hope that pulls through. Super tough decision. Does anyone have any opinions of the school in general? Academic culture? quality of life? Caliber of faculty? Career resources?

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby msblaw89 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:18 pm

msblaw89 wrote:
FlanAl wrote:This is probably the last thing you want to hear, especially since you have some really great options on the table BUT I say re-take if you can. If your numbers are accurate, with a better lsat you should be able to get a school that fits better with your goals. top 25% at chicago for chicago is way better than top 25% at a t20. Also I don't know how your cycle is going but I'd imagine that you are still on some wait lists, I'd pursue those actively. Also since there is probably no way your fiancé is going to be able to live in ithaca or NYC I'd scratch Cornell unless he actually gets placed in Syracuse.


Retaking isn't an option at this point. It would also be my 3rd time taking the exam, which I don't think looks too good. I am on the WL at Duke...so I hope that pulls through. Super tough decision. Does anyone have any opinions of the school in general? Academic culture? quality of life? Caliber of faculty? Career resources?


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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby t14fanboy » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:28 pm

GULC is out. Cornell for NY and New England. Vandy for atlantic south. UT for Texas. Since you have ties to Florida and don't seem to be a NYC biglaw or bust type of person, I say Vandy.

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby woeisme » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:17 pm

t14fanboy wrote:GULC is out. Cornell for NY and New England. Vandy for atlantic south. UT for Texas. Since you have ties to Florida and don't seem to be a NYC biglaw or bust type of person, I say Vandy.


Given OP's ties to Florida, I actually don't think Vandy is better than Cornell for the atlantic south. I agree that Texas is the place OP would want to go for Texas. I also agree that GULC is out.

Duke would also be an appealing contender if there is some waitlist movement. The problem is that given its relatively equal (if not slightly weaker) placement it'd take at least comparable scholarship to make that the best choice. And merit aid seems unlikely coming off of a waitlist, no?

Ultimately, I think Cornell is the best option here.

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby rad lulz » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:20 pm

I'm still not convinced OP should go to law school.

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby El_Gallo » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:46 pm

Are you a URM? If not, you must have some good softs. It seems like you have outperformed you numbers $$$ wise. I have very similar numbers and am looking at paying sticker at Cornell and some peers.

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby msblaw89 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:57 pm

El_Gallo wrote:Are you a URM? If not, you must have some good softs. It seems like you have outperformed you numbers $$$ wise. I have very similar numbers and am looking at paying sticker at Cornell and some peers.


No, not URM and not needs based. I originally got nothing from Cornell and negotiated

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby msblaw89 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:58 pm

rad lulz wrote:I'm still not convinced OP should go to law school.

Explain please?

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby rad lulz » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:03 pm

msblaw89 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:I'm still not convinced OP should go to law school.

Explain please?

Career goals aren't very compatible with you and you fiancee(?)'s lifestyle, specifically valuing mobility.

Others and I already pointed out 1) the ties problem and 2) how planning on moving around every few years isn't very compatible with being a partner in a firm and/or in-house.

I'd seriously sit down with your fiancee, explain to him the situation again (like you did in the FA thread), and figure out what yall really want and how to make that happen. Maybe law school could be the right decision for you at some point, but I don't think so under these circumstances.

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Re: GULC sticker, Cornell 45k, Vandy 75k, UT 85,500

Postby msblaw89 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:05 pm

rad lulz wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:I'm still not convinced OP should go to law school.

Explain please?

Career goals aren't very compatible with you and you fiancee(?)'s lifestyle, specifically valuing mobility.

Others and I already pointed out 1) the ties problem and 2) how planning on moving around every few years isn't very compatible with being a partner in a firm and/or in-house.


When I mentioned traveling...it would be like potentially one move after 3-5 years...and then potentially another 10+ years. The big unknown is just what city we will be moving to when I graduate in 3 years.




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