Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby paulshortys10 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:47 pm

I was expecting these bad number from Cornell, and also expecting them form other schools after T-8. I hope things get a little better for the 15' class.

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby Bronck » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:18 pm

paulshortys10 wrote:I was expecting these bad number from Cornell, and also expecting them form other schools after T-8. I hope things get a little better for the 15' class.


This was the bottom of legal hiring. By all accounts, things are already improving (certainly not to pre-crash levels, but it's getting better).

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby rad lulz » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:19 pm

paulshortys10 wrote:I was expecting these bad number from Cornell, and also expecting them form other schools after T-8. I hope things get a little better for the 15' class.

lol @ T8

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby Bronck » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:21 pm

rad lulz wrote:
paulshortys10 wrote:I was expecting these bad number from Cornell, and also expecting them form other schools after T-8. I hope things get a little better for the 15' class.

lol @ T8


LOL, didn't even notice that. Berkeley at number 8??

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby paulshortys10 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:37 pm

rad lulz wrote:
paulshortys10 wrote:I was expecting these bad number from Cornell, and also expecting them form other schools after T-8. I hope things get a little better for the 15' class.

lol @ T8


lol I picked a random ass number .

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby monkey85 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:14 am

GW got rocked!

Biglaw + clerkships down 9% from C/O 2010 - 2011.

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby Tarheel1234 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:26 pm

I was wondering if people could update this thread with schools that have released their class of 2011 employment statistics.

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby rayiner » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:51 pm

Tarheel1234 wrote:I was wondering if people could update this thread with schools that have released their class of 2011 employment statistics.


Added UIUC. I think all of the T25 that have posted 2011 data are on here already.

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby thelawyler » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:23 am

Thanks for compiling all of this!

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby rayiner » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:38 pm

Added Virginia.

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby 071816 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:44 pm

So was the class of 2011 likely the worst of the worst as far as pwnage is concerned?

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby ahnhub » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:47 pm

rayiner wrote:Added Virginia.


Is the information from Virginia saying that 64 students were still in law-school funded jobs at the 9-month mark? I assumed they were reporting the total number before (as in all graduates receiving any kind of short-term funding), but the info they gave to NALP for c/o 2010 seems to be saying differently.

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Postby keg411 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:13 pm

rayiner wrote:Added Virginia.


Now people can't call Michigan out anymore for being the only T10 that got shit on for the c/o 2011. Thanks UVA :D.

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby envisciguy » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:13 pm

ahnhub wrote:
rayiner wrote:Added Virginia.


Is the information from Virginia saying that 64 students were still in law-school funded jobs at the 9-month mark? I assumed they were reporting the total number before (as in all graduates receiving any kind of short-term funding), but the info they gave to NALP for c/o 2010 seems to be saying differently.


I'd be interested in the answer to this too. Also, forgive me for not knowing, but where (aside from this thread of course) can one see all the info released by the schools for 2011?

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby Mr. Somebody » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:14 pm

Looks like NU was the only school in the lower T14 that didn't get killed...

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby rayiner » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:18 pm

Mr. Somebody wrote:Looks like NU was the only school in the lower T14 that didn't get killed...


Penn?

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby rad lulz » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:23 pm

rayiner wrote:
Mr. Somebody wrote:Looks like NU was the only school in the lower T14 that didn't get killed...


Penn?

He probably thinks DNCG is a real thing, in which case, LOL.

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby Mr. Somebody » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:26 pm

rad lulz wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Mr. Somebody wrote:Looks like NU was the only school in the lower T14 that didn't get killed...


Penn?

He probably thinks DNCG is a real thing, in which case, LOL.


Nah, I missed Penn

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby ahnhub » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:32 pm

Berkeley didn't totally crap themselves either. Penn/NU--it seems like they did almost unreasonably well, considering.

So no one has an answer for Virginia, huh? If 64 Virginia grads were still in law-school funded work at the 9-month mark, then hands down they had the worst year.

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby Bronck » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:09 pm

Rayiner, CLS just updated their page: http://www.law.columbia.edu/careers/emp ... statistics

Total Graduates = 456; 445 employed

62.9% of employed graduates in firms size 101+ and 8.3% in fed clerkships.
or... 280 (61.4%) + 37 (8.1%) / 456 = 69.5%

c/o 2010: 69.3%, 10.2%... which means a decline of 7.9% in firms size 101+ and 2.1% in fed clerkships.

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby Bronck » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:27 pm

Looking back at the data, I'm surprised by how well Penn weathered OCI 2009. I wonder why that is.

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby rayiner » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:27 pm

Bronck wrote:Rayiner, CLS just updated their page: http://www.law.columbia.edu/careers/emp ... statistics

Total Graduates = 456; 445 employed

62.9% of employed graduates in firms size 101+ and 8.3% in fed clerkships.
or... 280 (61.4%) + 37 (8.1%) / 456 = 69.5%

c/o 2010: 69.3%, 10.2%... which means a decline of 7.9% in firms size 101+ and 2.1% in fed clerkships.


Ty ty.

Quite stellar performance from Columbia. Look at that extremely high long-term/permanent employment rate.

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby envisciguy » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:49 pm

Does anyone know what to make of the UVA data? It says that 64 students (17.3%) received funding from the school. But then they say that 98.6% of the grads have full time long term employment. Aren't most school funded jobs technically short term? If so, how does this make sense?

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby rayiner » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:57 pm

envisciguy wrote:Does anyone know what to make of the UVA data? It says that 64 students (17.3%) received funding from the school. But then they say that 98.6% of the grads have full time long term employment. Aren't most school funded jobs technically short term? If so, how does this make sense?


They're counting the public service fellowships as full-time, long-term...

You can see this in the "Salaries" chart.
They had 377 graduates, and reported 369 employed, and 364 employed "full-time, long-term." 364 / 369 = 98.6%

However, in the salaries section, they list:
191 of 210 reporting in the private sector.
69 of 95 reporting in the public sector.

The note on that chart makes it clear that it does not include people on law school fellowships: "In 2011, the 64 graduates in the Law School's public service fellowship programs earned between $27,000 and $40,000, with a median of $27,000."

The math works out--210 private sector + 95 public sector + 64 fellowships = 369.

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Re: Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25)

Postby KevinP » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:58 pm

Those Columbia numbers are impressive considering the market at the time.

Also, I vote that rayiner should do the rankings from now instead of U.S. News.




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