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Peer Schools

Postby Dale » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:48 am

Looking back I remember having read threads referring to peer schools, but I was never certain on how to characterize the various peers. I take it that Yale/Harvard may have recently given way to just Yale or perhaps Yale/Stanford. Yale without Harvard affixed just does not seem right. Columbia, consistently ranked #4 is on its own island―never included with YSH but still the perennial best of the next couple ranked schools.

Perhaps Columbia and NYU are peers because they are in NYC and Chicago isn't―not sure how that works. Penn is the remaining big northern city school, an hour from NYC, and since they are consistently #7 and NYU is consistently #6 they would seemingly be peers except NYU is T-6 and Penn is T-7 (problem is, there is no T-7). Hmmm. . .

Of course, with UVA now #7 perhaps they are peered with Penn. Since UCB is in CA, not sure how they can be peered with either Penn or UVA. Maybe I have it wrong and geographical location is not a valid distinction.

Seems like T-10/14 were simply lumped together as peers. However, inside the T10/14 cell there are likely peers that someone, other than me, can figure out, along with all the other peers below T14.

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:50 am

Just stop.

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby Bronck » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:53 am

What did I just read :?

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby rad lulz » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:57 am

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby RedBirds2011 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:59 am

This post makes me want to step in front of oncoming traffic

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby johansantana21 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:01 am

Are you this stupid irl or is this an internet personality? I really hope it's the latter.

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby romothesavior » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:07 am

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby Mal Reynolds » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:07 am

After seeing your tar, I expected nothing less.

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby Renne Walker » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:08 am

After a semester of LS, you are not going to care about peers. JSYKnow, NYU and Columbia are peers.

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby rad lulz » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:10 am

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby rayiner » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:12 am

Peers in what context? From the perspective of big law hiring or clerkships, the hierarchy is basically:

1) Yale, Harvard, Stanford
2) Chicago, Columbia, NYU, Penn
3) Michigan, Virginia, Berkeley, NU, Cornell, Duke
4) Georgetown

The meaning of the various groups is basically:
1) People actively go out of their way to hire from here. These are the only schools considered truly prestigious in DC.
2) These schools have great job prospects because they're the bread-and-butter feeders for NYC V20's.
3) These schools don't send 20 kids at a time to the same firm like the schools in (2), but place 5-6 folks in each of a large number of V50's so that overall job placement isn't too far below (3).
4) This school would have placement similar to (3) if it wasn't for the sheer size of the class.

I don't think OP's question is such a stupid one. If you get into any of these schools you're likely to have gotten into some of the others and it's reasonable to wonder what trade offs your making. I'd say within each grouping you should choose based on fit and location, but between groupings you really need to consider job prospects. The differences aren't huge, maybe 10% more of the class getting a desirable outcome as you move up the levels, but at the same time they're not trivial.

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby Excellent117 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:15 am

Renne Walker wrote:After a semester of LS, you are not going to care about peers. JSYKnow, NYU and Columbia are peers.


Blatant anti-Princeton trolling

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby johansantana21 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:18 am

Renne Walker wrote:After a semester of LS, you are not going to care about peers. JSYKnow, NYU and Columbia are peers.


Big surprise, kid goes to NYU.

C>NYU.

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby Renne Walker » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:20 am

Excellent117 wrote:
Renne Walker wrote:After a semester of LS, you are not going to care about peers. JSYKnow, NYU and Columbia are peers.


Blatant anti-Princeton trolling

It is UNFAIR how these TLS law students always overlook Princeton and Dartmouth. It was like they didn’t even have law schools!

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby bernaldiaz » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:29 am

Renne Walker wrote:
Excellent117 wrote:
Renne Walker wrote:After a semester of LS, you are not going to care about peers. JSYKnow, NYU and Columbia are peers.


Blatant anti-Princeton trolling

It is UNFAIR how these TLS law students always overlook Princeton and Dartmouth. It was like they didn’t even have law schools!


Egregious anti-Brown trolling.

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby dproduct » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:59 am

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby Real Madrid » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:30 am

bernaldiaz wrote:
Renne Walker wrote:
Excellent117 wrote:
Renne Walker wrote:After a semester of LS, you are not going to care about peers. JSYKnow, NYU and Columbia are peers.


Blatant anti-Princeton trolling

It is UNFAIR how these TLS law students always overlook Princeton and Dartmouth. It was like they didn’t even have law schools!


Egregious anti-Brown trolling.


Ridiculous that no one mentions uber-prestigious MIT Law. It's on par with Princeton Law and much more prestigious than Brown or Dartmouth.

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby Dale » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:26 am

rayiner wrote:. . . the hierarchy is basically:

1) Yale, Harvard, Stanford
2) Chicago, Columbia, NYU, Penn
3) Michigan, Virginia, Berkeley, NU, Cornell, Duke
4) Georgetown

The meaning of the various groups is basically:
1) People actively go out of their way to hire from here. These are the only schools considered truly prestigious in DC.
2) These schools have great job prospects because they're the bread-and-butter feeders for NYC V20's.
3) These schools don't send 20 kids at a time to the same firm like the schools in (2), but place 5-6 folks in each of a large number of V50's so that overall job placement isn't too far below (3).
4) This school would have placement similar to (3) if it wasn't for the sheer size of the class.

The differences aren't huge, maybe 10% more of the class getting a desirable outcome as you move up the levels, but at the same time they're not trivial.

Your group peer makes sense, along with your evaluation. Thx.

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby anstone1988 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:33 am

HYS CCN MVPB and so on so forth; the entrenched tiers don't depend on USNews. Even if H/Y/S drops to #5 or Columbia rises to #1, it would still be HYS CCN MVPB ...

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby Br3v » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:36 am

rayiner wrote:Peers in what context? From the perspective of big law hiring or clerkships, the hierarchy is basically:

1) Yale, Harvard, Stanford
2) Chicago, Columbia, NYU, Penn
3) Michigan, Virginia, Berkeley, NU, Cornell, Duke
4) Georgetown

The meaning of the various groups is basically:
1) People actively go out of their way to hire from here. These are the only schools considered truly prestigious in DC.
2) These schools have great job prospects because they're the bread-and-butter feeders for NYC V20's.
3) These schools don't send 20 kids at a time to the same firm like the schools in (2), but place 5-6 folks in each of a large number of V50's so that overall job placement isn't too far below (3).
4) This school would have placement similar to (3) if it wasn't for the sheer size of the class.

I don't think OP's question is such a stupid one. If you get into any of these schools you're likely to have gotten into some of the others and it's reasonable to wonder what trade offs your making. I'd say within each grouping you should choose based on fit and location, but between groupings you really need to consider job prospects. The differences aren't huge, maybe 10% more of the class getting a desirable outcome as you move up the levels, but at the same time they're not trivial.


Came to hate on post, found this.

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby Mike12188 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:52 am

rayiner wrote:Peers in what context? From the perspective of big law hiring or clerkships, the hierarchy is basically:

1) Yale, Harvard, Stanford
2) Chicago, Columbia, NYU, Penn
3) Michigan, Virginia, Berkeley, NU, Cornell, Duke
4) Georgetown

The meaning of the various groups is basically:
1) People actively go out of their way to hire from here. These are the only schools considered truly prestigious in DC.
2) These schools have great job prospects because they're the bread-and-butter feeders for NYC V20's.
3) These schools don't send 20 kids at a time to the same firm like the schools in (2), but place 5-6 folks in each of a large number of V50's so that overall job placement isn't too far below (3).
4) This school would have placement similar to (3) if it wasn't for the sheer size of the class.

I don't think OP's question is such a stupid one. If you get into any of these schools you're likely to have gotten into some of the others and it's reasonable to wonder what trade offs your making. I'd say within each grouping you should choose based on fit and location, but between groupings you really need to consider job prospects. The differences aren't huge, maybe 10% more of the class getting a desirable outcome as you move up the levels, but at the same time they're not trivial.


Duke? aren't their placement numbers on par with GULC. Clerkships. Forgot about them. :roll:

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby Br3v » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:55 am

Mike12188 wrote:
rayiner wrote:Peers in what context? From the perspective of big law hiring or clerkships, the hierarchy is basically:

1) Yale, Harvard, Stanford
2) Chicago, Columbia, NYU, Penn
3) Michigan, Virginia, Berkeley, NU, Cornell, Duke
4) Georgetown

The meaning of the various groups is basically:
1) People actively go out of their way to hire from here. These are the only schools considered truly prestigious in DC.
2) These schools have great job prospects because they're the bread-and-butter feeders for NYC V20's.
3) These schools don't send 20 kids at a time to the same firm like the schools in (2), but place 5-6 folks in each of a large number of V50's so that overall job placement isn't too far below (3).
4) This school would have placement similar to (3) if it wasn't for the sheer size of the class.

I don't think OP's question is such a stupid one. If you get into any of these schools you're likely to have gotten into some of the others and it's reasonable to wonder what trade offs your making. I'd say within each grouping you should choose based on fit and location, but between groupings you really need to consider job prospects. The differences aren't huge, maybe 10% more of the class getting a desirable outcome as you move up the levels, but at the same time they're not trivial.


Duke? aren't their placement numbers on par with GULC. Clerkships. Forgot about them. :roll:


Duke significantly better?

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby Mike12188 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:58 am

Mike12188 wrote:
Duke? aren't their placement numbers on par with GULC. Clerkships. Forgot about them. :roll:


Duke significantly better?[/quote]

From a quick search on TLS it seems so, say 60+% Clerkships and Biglaw at Duke. Don't care enough to find out if that is true or not :lol: . That same thread stated 5.6% Clerkships at GULC

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby Doorkeeper » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:59 am

rayiner wrote:Peers in what context? From the perspective of big law hiring or clerkships, the hierarchy is basically:

1) Yale, Harvard, Stanford
2) Chicago, Columbia, NYU, Penn
3) Penn, Michigan, Virginia, Berkeley NU, Cornell, Duke
4) NU, Cornell, Duke
5) Georgetown


Blatant pro-Penn, pro-Northwestern, pro-Cornell, and pro-Duke trolling.

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Re: Peer Schools

Postby Renne Walker » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:21 am

anstone1988 wrote:HYS CCN MVPB and so on so forth; the entrenched tiers don't depend on USNews. Even if H/Y/S drops to #5 or Columbia rises to #1, it would still be HYS CCN MVPB ...

That is soooo 20 seconds ago. The new world order, YSH. The next should be CNC, if one is really talking peer. Then PBV, or BPV or whatever that peer abv. turns out to be.




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