University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

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University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby timeandspace11 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:09 pm

Hey everyone. I just wanted to know if anyone was familiar with job prospects outside of the Pacific Northwest for UW grads. It is a law school I am seriously interested in and think I can be competitive for. i think I would really like living in Seattle, but eventually I would probably like to return home to South Florida.

I noticed the school jumped up 10 spots in this years law school rankings from 30th to 20th. Do you believe this school has name recognition among employers nationally, and do you think it would be possible to find employment in a different region right after I graduate or possibly 5 years after? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby bernaldiaz » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:13 pm

timeandspace11 wrote:Hey everyone. I just wanted to know if anyone was familiar with job prospects outside of the Pacific Northwest for UW grads. It is a law school I am seriously interested in and think I can be competitive for. i think I would really like living in Seattle, but eventually I would probably like to return home to South Florida.

I noticed the school jumped up 10 spots in this years law school rankings from 30th to 20th. Do you believe this school has name recognition among employers nationally, and do you think it would be possible to find employment in a different region right after I graduate or possibly 5 years after? Any help will be greatly appreciated.


I have nothing constructive to add but it's pretty funny that you are considering UW and want to work in southern FL. Literally couldn't be further (farther? seriously what's the difference someone explain please) apart in the continental US.

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby rad lulz » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:20 pm

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:23 pm

rad lulz wrote:Because of its new-found status as a T20 school, I predict South Florida employers will flock to UW in DROVES.


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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby bdubs » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:24 pm

No, and you're probably not as competitive as you think. You're an out of state applicant so the bar is a lot higher. Unless you can get into a T14, shoot for the best FL law school you can get in to.

Also, farther is the correct term to denote physical distance.
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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby lisjjen » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:27 pm

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:
rad lulz wrote:Because of its new-found status as a T20 school, I predict South Florida employers will flock to UW in DROVES.


+1

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Postby bernaldiaz » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:27 pm

bdubs wrote:No, and you're probably not as competitive as you think. You're an out of state applicant so the bar is a lot higher. Unless you can get into a T14, shoot for the best FL law school you can get in to.

Also, farther is the correct term to denote physical distance.
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Thank you, I will now be able to remember that forever.

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby Campagnolo » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:29 pm

bernaldiaz wrote:
I have nothing constructive to add but it's pretty funny that you are considering UW and want to work in southern FL. Literally couldn't be further (farther? seriously what's the difference someone explain please) apart in the continental US.


The use of "further" is restricted to figurative or abstract senses. "Farther" is restricted to measurable distances.

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby romothesavior » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:03 pm

Don't do it brah.

Seriously, 3,000+ miles away? Not smart.

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby timeandspace11 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:27 pm

Ok all this makes sense. What if you work in a field of law in one state and have a successful career. With a built up resume does it make it easier to transfer to an another state.

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Postby PDaddy » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:40 pm

timeandspace11 wrote:Ok all this makes sense. What if you work in a field of law in one state and have a successful career. With a built up resume does it make it easier to transfer to an another state.


Does a top BigLaw firm that recruits at UW have a Florida office? Perkins Coie, K & L Gates or Foster Pepper maybe? If that's the case, then it would theoretically be possible to go to UW with the intent of working at such a firm for awhile and transfering internally. One problem...no guarantees that you'd actually get the job in the first place.

Bottom line? You're looking at the T14, the top Florida schools (UF, Miami and FSU), and/or the top schools in close proximity (Vandy, Emory, UNC, Wake Forest, and maybe UGA). Don't know about USC-2. Forget Stetson, Florida Coastal, etc.
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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby rad lulz » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:41 pm

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby timeandspace11 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:50 pm

rad lulz wrote:
timeandspace11 wrote:Ok all this makes sense. What if you work in a field of law in one state and have a successful career. With a built up resume does it make it easier to transfer to an another state.

Yeah, but you probably won't want to move, because all your client contacts and professional network are in the region.

Also I'd caution against going to school in a region you don't have any ties to. Insular places like the Pac NW exhibit bias against outsider, often even if you go to the local school.


That is a good point. Have you experienced this out of state bias?

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby rad lulz » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:54 pm

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby timeandspace11 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:56 pm

rad lulz wrote:
timeandspace11 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
timeandspace11 wrote:Ok all this makes sense. What if you work in a field of law in one state and have a successful career. With a built up resume does it make it easier to transfer to an another state.

Yeah, but you probably won't want to move, because all your client contacts and professional network are in the region.

Also I'd caution against going to school in a region you don't have any ties to. Insular places like the Pac NW exhibit bias against outsider, often even if you go to the local school.


That is a good point. Have you experienced this out of state bias?

Not in the PAC NW but in other similarly insular states (Alabama, Mississippi), yes. So have all of the other 2Ls I know in applying in regions they didn't have solid ties to.



Do you think the pacific NW is as insular as Mississippi and Alabama?

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby Bronck » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:57 pm

timeandspace11 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:Not in the PAC NW but in other similarly insular states (Alabama, Mississippi), yes. So have all of the other 2Ls I know in applying in regions they didn't have solid ties to.



Do you think the pacific NW is as insular as Mississippi and Alabama?


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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby rad lulz » Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:12 am

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby romothesavior » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:55 am

rad lulz wrote:
timeandspace11 wrote:Do you think the pacific NW is as insular as Mississippi and Alabama?

From the people I know who have looked for jobs there, yup.

Hey I want a job in Tijuana, should I go to school in Greenland?

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby dr123 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:20 am

rad lulz wrote:
timeandspace11 wrote:Do you think the pacific NW is as insular as Mississippi and Alabama?

From the people I know who have looked for jobs there, yup.


Really? I've lived in the northwest for quite some time now and hardly anyone is actually from here

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Postby bdubs » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:45 am

dr123 wrote:Really? I've lived in the northwest for quite some time now and hardly anyone is actually from here


You probably live in Portland then.

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby chiwachiwa » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:59 am

Go to a top 14 school or the best school you can in the region in which you want to practice. /Thread

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby romothesavior » Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:02 pm

dr123 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
timeandspace11 wrote:Do you think the pacific NW is as insular as Mississippi and Alabama?

From the people I know who have looked for jobs there, yup.


Really? I've lived in the northwest for quite some time now and hardly anyone is actually from here

Legal hiring is a bit different, so how many transplants live in a city is isn't necessarily indicative of how the market there works. I know people who got grilled on "Why D.C.?" and that city is the most transient market in the country.

Also, ties aren't an absolute prereq, they just help a ton. Firms want to know why you want to stay there, and that's a hard question to answer if you're from 3,000 miles away and just moved there on a whim for law school. Why is that? OP just gave you the reason why ITT. People try to bail after a year or two, and that costs the firm hundreds of thousands of dollars. Especially in these secondary markets, immediate turnover is not the norm. They want a commitment from you, and generally their bullshit meters are pretty good (probably even over inclusive). OP, if you want Florida, pursue other options.

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby dr123 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:16 pm

bdubs wrote:
dr123 wrote:Really? I've lived in the northwest for quite some time now and hardly anyone is actually from here


You probably live in Portland then.


I used to, but not anymore. I've lived in all of the northwest (includin the inland states - alaska) and actual "locals" have been the minority everywhere.

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

Postby timeandspace11 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:22 pm

romothesavior wrote:
dr123 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
timeandspace11 wrote:Do you think the pacific NW is as insular as Mississippi and Alabama?

From the people I know who have looked for jobs there, yup.


Really? I've lived in the northwest for quite some time now and hardly anyone is actually from here

Legal hiring is a bit different, so how many transplants live in a city is isn't necessarily indicative of how the market there works. I know people who got grilled on "Why D.C.?" and that city is the most transient market in the country.

Also, ties aren't an absolute prereq, they just help a ton. Firms want to know why you want to stay there, and that's a hard question to answer if you're from 3,000 miles away and just moved there on a whim for law school. Why is that? OP just gave you the reason why ITT. People try to bail after a year or two, and that costs the firm hundreds of thousands of dollars. Especially in these secondary markets, immediate turnover is not the norm. They want a commitment from you, and generally their bullshit meters are pretty good (probably even over inclusive). OP, if you want Florida, pursue other options.


Understandable. Im not saying I would not consider staying in the Pacific NW, I am just considering the option. I know if someone goes to a t14 law school they have a better chance of getting a job in a different reion of the country. It just seems like UW is a really respected school, so I thought employment prospects in different regions would be decent.

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Re: University of Washington job prospects outside of Pacific NW

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