Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

(Rankings, Profiles, Tuition, Student Life, . . . )

Which should I choose?

Harvard ($21,000 per year grant)
49
38%
UChicago (Rubenstein Scholarship)
74
57%
Columbia (Butler)
4
3%
NYU ($87,500 total)
2
2%
 
Total votes: 129

nametaken
Posts: 385
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:23 pm

Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby nametaken » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:10 pm

So after debating this with myself and everyone else I know, I decided to take my situation to TLS since my friends are becoming annoyed with me and will not listen to me without just saying Columbia over and over again (we live in NYC). So here it is:

I am not exactly sure what I want to do after school. I do know I want to be in NYC. I think I would most likely want to spend a few years in big law, pay off my huge amount of undergrad debt, and maybe think about doing something more fulfilling later.

Columbia: was always my dream law school. I'm originally from California, I went to NYU for undergad, live in NYC now, and am not happy about the idea of moving. I love it here and feel like it is home, have great friends, and am not thrilled about the idea of making a big move to a place I know nothing about again. I was offered the Butler Fellowship (half tuition) and am trying to negotiate up. Obviously, I don't think I can choose the Butler over Harvard and the Ruby.

Harvard: I just got my financial aid info and will get a $21,000 per year grant. This means I will still graduate with a lot of debt, but it's Harvard and I know their LRAP program is good/ it shouldn't be an issue if I do Big Law. I loved the campus, but Cambridge is small and I am definitely concerned about that. The grading system is a pro, but I've heard mixed reviews of how social/friendly the law students are, which is a little unsettling.

Chicago: I was recently offered the Rubenstein which shook everything up for me. I have never been to Chicago before, but I'm attending the ASW at the end of the month. I will have a friend living in Hyde Park, which is a plus. However, I've heard mixed reviews about the law school/students ("where fun goes to die") so am wondering if anyone can say anything about this.

NYU: Offered $87,500 or $105,000 if I do public interest my 2L summer.

For now, I think my choice is mainly between Harvard and the Rubenstein. If anyone has any input, I'd love to hear it. TYIA!
Last edited by nametaken on Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Tadatsune
Posts: 181
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:17 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby Tadatsune » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:27 pm

Damn.

User avatar
flem
Posts: 12949
Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:44 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby flem » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:28 pm

I have nothing to add as your decision is a very personal one, but congratulations.

t14fanboy
Posts: 438
Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:51 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby t14fanboy » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:33 pm

nametaken wrote:So after debating this with myself and everyone else I know, I decided to take my situation to TLS since my friends are becoming annoyed with me and will not listen to me without just saying Columbia over and over again (we live in NYC). So here it is:

I am not exactly sure what I want to do after school. I do know I want to be in NYC. I think I would most likely want to spend a few years in big law, pay off my huge amount of undergrad debt, and maybe think about doing something more fulfilling later.

Columbia: was always my dream law school. I'm originally from California, I went to NYU for undergad, live in NYC now, and am not happy about the idea of moving. I love it here and feel like it is home, have great friends, and am not thrilled about the idea of making a big move to a place I know nothing about again. I was offered the Butler Fellowship (half tuition) and am trying to negotiate up. Obviously, I don't think I can choose the Butler over Harvard and the Ruby.

Harvard: I just got my financial aid info and will get a $21,000 per year grant. This means I will still graduate with a lot of debt, but it's Harvard and I know their LRAP program is good/ it shouldn't be an issue if I do Big Law. I loved the campus, but Cambridge is small and I am definitely concerned about that. The grading system is a pro, but I've heard mixed reviews of how social/friendly the law students are, which is a little unsettling.

Chicago: I was recently offered the Rubenstein which shook everything up for me. I have never been to Chicago before, but I'm attending the ASW at the end of the month. I will have a friend living in Hyde Park, which is a plus. However, I've heard mixed reviews about the law school/students ("where fun goes to die") so am wondering if anyone can say anything about this.

NYU: Offered $87,500 or $105,000 if I do public interest my 2L summer.

For now, I think my choice is mainly between Harvard and the Rubenstein. If anyone has any input, I'd love to hear it. TYIA!


Yes but why try to pay off loans when you can go to a baller school for free. Accumulate that wealth man.

checkster
Posts: 348
Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:29 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby checkster » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:35 pm

Just pick your least favorite and I will take it instead.

User avatar
Doorkeeper
Posts: 4872
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:25 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby Doorkeeper » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:36 pm

1. As you said, you should negotiate with Columbia to try and get a Hamilton. Do not be afraid to tell them both: a) Columbia is your dream school, and b) Without a better scholarship offer, you cannot attend. You sound really, really whetted to NYC, so if you can get a Hamilton, then I say go to Columbia. Harvard or Chicago isn't worth 3 years of being unhappy relative to your live in NYC. Plus you would graduate debt free and you would still be really well positioned for anything in NYC job-wise.

2. If you can't get the Hamilton, it's then between Harvard and Chicago. This is a tough call and is dependent on your level of debt aversion. If you're ok with 150-175k in debt coming out of Harvard, then go there. But if you're worried about the debt forcing your career options after law school, I would definitely go with Chicago. Pretty much everything attainable from Harvard is attainable from Chicago, including academia, big law, prestigious PI, etc. I mean it has a lower shot at a Supreme Court clerkship, but you shouldn't be making a 150k decision on that. You would graduate debt free and would therefore have no reason to go into biglaw other than you wanting to work in biglaw. It's a really freeing thing to have that might be something to consider.
Last edited by Doorkeeper on Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:38 pm, edited 2 times in total.

nametaken
Posts: 385
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:23 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby nametaken » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:36 pm

checkster wrote:Just pick your least favorite and I will take it instead.


Sounds great, help me figure out what to do and I'll send a withdrawal email to the others and let them know you will be taking my place! :D

CanadianWolf
Posts: 10439
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:54 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby CanadianWolf » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:42 pm

Just to offer a contrarian point of view: You've narrowed your choices to Harvard & Chicago, but you love living in NYC & don't want to move. Negotiate with NYU & Columbia so you can stay where you are comfortable & thriving.

Back to reality: It's Harvard ! Chicago with a full tuition & fees scholarship ! Both offer a chance to grow in a new environment. Do you want a large law school environment or a small school with tiny debt ?

P.S. Stanford or Yale ?

caminante
Posts: 208
Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:59 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby caminante » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:44 pm

Congrats!! I know this must be a very stressful decision for you, and can be a touchy subject with friends and family with strong opinions.

You obviously can't really go wrong with whatever you pick. However, since you don't really know what you want to do long-term I would lean toward Harvard. I think one of Harvard's biggest benefits is its flexibility in the long run.

Feel free to PM me if you want to talk more. I am facing a similar decision.

Good luck and congrats again!

User avatar
Dany
Posts: 11580
Joined: Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:00 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby Dany » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:50 pm

With a huge amount of undergrad debt, you should absolutely take the Ruby in my opinion. UChicago can get you back to NYC biglaw easily. You wouldn't be crazy for picking Harvard with $60k though (depending on what you mean by "huge" amount).

CanadianWolf
Posts: 10439
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:54 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby CanadianWolf » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:53 pm

Regardless of your ultimate decision, you should be able to write & publish on the topic of buyer's remorse. :D

User avatar
Tadatsune
Posts: 181
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:17 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby Tadatsune » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:54 pm

Yes, if you want Columbia use the awards at Chicago and Harvard to get them to offer you a free ride.

User avatar
bk1
Posts: 18424
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:06 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby bk1 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:56 pm

Dany wrote:With a huge amount of undergrad debt, you should absolutely take the Ruby in my opinion. UChicago can get you back to NYC biglaw easily. You wouldn't be crazy for picking Harvard with $60k though (depending on what you mean by "huge" amount).


Agreed. As much as Harvard opens doors, it would still be a slog to plow through 300k+ debt (which you might easily have after law school depending on how much undergrad debt you have and the interest on it).

nametaken
Posts: 385
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:23 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby nametaken » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:14 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:Just to offer a contrarian point of view: You've narrowed your choices to Harvard & Chicago, but you love living in NYC & don't want to move. Negotiate with NYU & Columbia so you can stay where you are comfortable & thriving.

Back to reality: It's Harvard ! Chicago with a full tuition & fees scholarship ! Both offer a chance to grow in a new environment. Do you want a large law school environment or a small school with tiny debt ?

P.S. Stanford or Yale ?


didn't apply to Stanford because I'm not at all interested in living so close to home, and haven't heard a peep from Yale. Thanks for your opinions!

nametaken
Posts: 385
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:23 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby nametaken » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:18 pm

Thanks everyone, I really appreciate your opinions! I have ~$100,000 in undergrad debt, so I'm definitely happy to have the Ruby on the table. I am just a little scared of turning down Harvard if I decide down the road that I don't want to stay in BigLaw and the Harvard name could've helped me more in another field than graduating from UChi would.

I'm definitely trying to negotiate with CLS, and thanks for your advice on things to say to them. I wrote them an email with all of my offers and tried to show that I really wanted CLS, so we will see how that goes.

Also, does anyone know if putting the Rubenstein on a resume would give any boost?

User avatar
Dany
Posts: 11580
Joined: Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:00 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby Dany » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:21 pm

I would be way more scared of graduating with $260,000 of debt pre-interest than not having the slight boost H will give you in whatever non-biglaw jobs you're considering.

tennisking88
Posts: 655
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:15 am

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby tennisking88 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:21 pm

nametaken wrote:Thanks everyone, I really appreciate your opinions! I have ~$100,000 in undergrad debt, so I'm definitely happy to have the Ruby on the table. I am just a little scared of turning down Harvard if I decide down the road that I don't want to stay in BigLaw and the Harvard name could've helped me more in another field than graduating from UChi would.

I'm definitely trying to negotiate with CLS, and thanks for your advice on things to say to them. I wrote them an email with all of my offers and tried to show that I really wanted CLS, so we will see how that goes.

Also, does anyone know if putting the Rubenstein on a resume would give any boost?


You would not get much more boost employment-wise from Harvard than you would from Chicago.

User avatar
chup
Posts: 23648
Joined: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:48 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby chup » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:22 pm

nametaken wrote:I am not exactly sure what I want to do after school.

Then don't go to law school, dummy.

User avatar
soj
Posts: 7735
Joined: Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:10 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby soj » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:23 pm

Work and bring down the UG debt. Defer or re-apply.

nametaken
Posts: 385
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:23 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby nametaken » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:24 pm

Dany wrote:I would be way more scared of graduating with $260,000 of debt pre-interest than not having the slight boost H will give you in whatever non-biglaw jobs you're considering.


You are right, seeing that number written out is definitely terrifying.

tennisking88
Posts: 655
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:15 am

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby tennisking88 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:25 pm

chup wrote:
nametaken wrote:I am not exactly sure what I want to do after school.

Then don't go to law school, dummy.


This is dumb. Just because you don't know what kind of lawyer you wanna be doesn't mean you don't wanna be a lawyer. Also, I bet a good chunk of people think they know what they wanna do, but do something totally opposite in the end.

User avatar
Doorkeeper
Posts: 4872
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:25 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby Doorkeeper » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:25 pm

Dany wrote:I would be way more scared of graduating with $260,000 of debt pre-interest than not having the slight boost H will give you in whatever non-biglaw jobs you're considering.


Yea. After reading about your $100,000 in UG debt on top of law school, I really think you need to strongly consider taking the Ruby. As others have mentioned, your career prospects in most things law-related are going to be fairly similar from Chicago and Harvard. I agree that Harvard has a leg up in certain things, but I really don't think it's worth having over $200,000 in loans.

nametaken
Posts: 385
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:23 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby nametaken » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:26 pm

soj wrote:Work and bring down the UG debt. Defer or re-apply.


Haha, I do work - graduated in 3 years to do so. Living in NYC on starting salary = not a smarter option than going to school and starting to make real money.

nametaken
Posts: 385
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:23 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby nametaken » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:27 pm

tennisking88 wrote:
chup wrote:
nametaken wrote:I am not exactly sure what I want to do after school.

Then don't go to law school, dummy.


This is dumb. Just because you don't know what kind of lawyer you wanna be doesn't mean you don't wanna be a lawyer. Also, I bet a good chunk of people think they know what they wanna do, but do something totally opposite in the end.


Yeah I just meant that I find a few different career paths (in law) compelling and I'm not set on one. I've wanted to go to law school for a long time and know it's what I want.

User avatar
soj
Posts: 7735
Joined: Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:10 pm

Re: Ruby at UChicago v. Harvard v. Columbia

Postby soj » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:28 pm

Man, NYU UG is rough.

Unfortunately, I don't think you can defer the Rubenstein, and next year's supposed to be the last year it's given out.




Return to “Choosing a Law School”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot] and 4 guests