Duke or Cornell

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Duke or Cornell

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wot1990
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Duke or Cornell

Postby wot1990 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:24 pm

Overall, which is the better one to attend if one wants to go into private practice? The employment stats seem pretty similar between them, though there are fluctuations from year to year.

Can anyone weigh in on the pros an cons of each school? Is there anyone attending either school who can chime in?

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby gaud » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:25 pm

Where do you want to work? COA at each?


If the South, then Duke. If NYC, then Cornell.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby bdubs » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:26 pm

Duke. It provides more opportunities outside of NYC and has better weather. It's also a more respected school within the legal world.

The differences aren't huge though, so if you have any scholarship differences they probably outweigh the relatively minor considerations of prestige.
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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby Tom Joad » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:27 pm

wot1990 wrote:Overall, which is the better one to attend if one wants to go into private practice? The employment stats seem pretty similar between them, though there are fluctuations from year to year.

Can anyone weigh in on the pros an cons of each school? Is there anyone attending either school who can chime in?

Depends on where you are from and want to work in the future.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby johansantana21 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:32 pm

bdubs wrote:Duke. It provides more opportunities outside of NYC and has better weather. It's also a more respected school within the legal world.

The differences aren't huge though, so if you have any scholarship differences they probably outweigh the relatively minor considerations of prestige.


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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby FlanAl » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:34 pm

bdubs wrote:Duke. It provides more opportunities outside of NYC and has better weather. It's also a more respected school within the legal world.


thats definitely debatable. no one really hates cornell that much. yeah there is that dude from the office but seriously some people really hate duke, like a lot. One of the attorneys I talked to when I was looking at schools told me that he just wouldn't hire anyone from there, straight up. I'm sure this bias isn't a huge deal but you should try to get a feel for the market you want and how they feel about the two schools.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby IAFG » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:35 pm

It doesn't matter based on your disclosed goals.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby KMaine » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:43 pm

It has not been my experience that Duke is more respected in the legal world. Go where you want to go. I liked Duke better (weather, architecture), but decided to go to Cornell because of $. I have been happy here. Maybe an edge to Cornell if you want Northeast, Duke if you want DC or anywhere South. Not really sure though.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby quakeroats » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:50 pm

Duke offers great placement in New York and the rest of the country. You won't be competing against a majority of the class gunning for one market. Columbia, NYU, and Penn overcome this weakness with their proximity to the city. Cornell is 4 hours away and there's no convenient way to shorten the trip. Also Ithaca is in the middle of nowhere. It's at least an hour's drive to anything. Durham is in the center of several cities with a total population approaching 3 million. Plus the weather in Ithaca has to be seen to be believed. It's 52 right now in Durham. It's 26 in Ithaca with snow tomorrow. The average low doesn't get out of the 30s until May. They get almost 6 feet of snow a year, we rarely get more than 7 or 8 inches.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby IAFG » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:51 pm

quakeroats wrote:Duke offers great placement in New York and the rest of the country. You won't be competing against a majority of the class gunning for one market. Columbia, NYU, and Penn overcome this weakness with their proximity to the city. Cornell is 4 hours away and there's no convenient way to shorten the trip.

Why would this have any impact on their placement?!

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby wot1990 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:05 pm

bdubs wrote:Duke. It provides more opportunities outside of NYC and has better weather. It's also a more respected school within the legal world.

The differences aren't huge though, so if you have any scholarship differences they probably outweigh the relatively minor considerations of prestige.


Is there any data out there that would suggest this? I understand that Cornell places a lot in NYC, but this does not necessarily mean that a Cornell grad will fair worse than a corresponding Duke grad in markets outside of NYC.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby IAFG » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:08 pm

wot1990 wrote:
bdubs wrote:Duke. It provides more opportunities outside of NYC and has better weather. It's also a more respected school within the legal world.

The differences aren't huge though, so if you have any scholarship differences they probably outweigh the relatively minor considerations of prestige.


Is there any data out there that would suggest this? I understand that Cornell places a lot in NYC, but this does not necessarily mean that a Cornell grad will fair worse than a corresponding Duke grad in markets outside of NYC.

No, there's no reason to believe or disbelieve it since no data controls for self-selection.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby stewie27 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:09 pm

I chose Duke, but Cornell was a school I seriously considered. The decision came down to a) slightly more money from Duke/I think COA is slightly cheaper here, b) not aiming to work in NY after, c) location: Durham is easier to get to, closer to DC where my SO lives. (The weather of Ithaca didn't really scare me away since I grew up in a cold place. However, I have to admit the winters here in NC are kind of awesome, so that might be a factor for you) d) overall "fit"- I liked Duke after I went to ASW.
I'd say wait for money decisions if they haven't happened yet and visit both if you haven't already. Feel free to PM if you have any Duke questions.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby beachbum » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:17 pm

This decision should be made exclusively upon relative cost and personal fit. Either school will get you to NYC; neither school will get you to a region in which you don't have ties. Visit both and decide from there; in terms of general placement power, you're pretty much looking at the same school.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby FlanAl » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:18 pm

quakeroats wrote: Durham is in the center of several cities with a total population approaching 3 million.


Just because there are a lot of people doesn't mean its better. Ithaca has its own currency and holds the record for the worlds largest human peace sign! I think stewie has it right, you should definitely wait until money comes out and visit each. BUT if you're into hippie shit, Ithaca has few rivals.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby bdubs » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:31 pm

FlanAl wrote:
bdubs wrote:Duke. It provides more opportunities outside of NYC and has better weather. It's also a more respected school within the legal world.


thats definitely debatable. no one really hates cornell that much. yeah there is that dude from the office but seriously some people really hate duke, like a lot. One of the attorneys I talked to when I was looking at schools told me that he just wouldn't hire anyone from there, straight up. I'm sure this bias isn't a huge deal but you should try to get a feel for the market you want and how they feel about the two schools.


I'm not saying that USNews reputation scores and rankings are the be all, end all, but they support the contention that Duke has a slight edge over Cornell.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 2&t=150457

Also, Duke placed 2x more students in Art. III clerkships last year than Cornell did.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandr ... s-rankings

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby econenthusiast09 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:38 am

I would go with Duke. It wins on quality of life as well as on academic reputation. Plus, let's face it: you don't want to live in Ithica.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby Guillaume9 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:34 am

I'm actually in a similar situation here, except for the fact that I prefer a job in public interest. So I'm basically going to whichever that gives me more money. my 2 cents.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby FlanAl » Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:20 am

econenthusiast09 wrote:I would go with Duke. It wins on quality of life as well as on academic reputation. Plus, let's face it: you don't want to live in Ithica.


personal preference but i'd take ithaca any day. i spent about a month at duke. durham's cool but Ithaca is more liberal, has better restaurants AND is walkable.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby IAFG » Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:31 am

Guillaume9 wrote:I'm actually in a similar situation here, except for the fact that I prefer a job in public interest. So I'm basically going to whichever that gives me more money. my 2 cents.

I think the LRAP plans are far more important than "more money," which should actually be OP's focus.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby beachbum » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:15 am

FlanAl wrote:
econenthusiast09 wrote:I would go with Duke. It wins on quality of life as well as on academic reputation. Plus, let's face it: you don't want to live in Ithica.


personal preference but i'd take ithaca any day. i spent about a month at duke. durham's cool but Ithaca is more liberal, has better restaurants AND is walkable.


In fairness, it also has soul-crushing weather.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby KMaine » Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:04 pm

Not this winter.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby beachbum » Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:36 pm

KMaine wrote:Not this winter.


Sure, this winter's been pretty mild everywhere. But in general, Ithaca ain't exactly Key West.

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby rad lulz » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:03 am

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Re: Duke or Cornell

Postby KMaine » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:52 am

beachbum wrote:
KMaine wrote:Not this winter.


Sure, this winter's been pretty mild everywhere. But in general, Ithaca ain't exactly Key West.


No, it isn't. Honestly, weather was one of the reasons that I considered choosing Duke over Cornell. In the end, it was a minor consideration. The neighborhood I live in here in Ithaca is pretty nice, and the weather is not a big deal.




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