Betharl wrote:A couple things...
First, I thought it was agreed upon by most people on this site that the MVPB and DNCG distinctions were arbitrary, so I am not sure why people are saying that now and passing it off as news. If there is any news in regard to these schools, it is that Penn does appear to be a step ahead in terms of placing its students in Big Law jobs.
Second, I do not agree that the t14 outside of HYS is relatively interchangeable, as has been suggested a few times in this thread. As I mention above, I do think MVPB and DNCG are relatively interchangeable (with a caveat for Penn possibly being considered a little better and G a little worse), but it seems like people are dragging down the CCN tier because N has been underperforming. Again, I did not think N underperforming in Big Law was really news, and had been typically attributed to a PI bias, whether or not that is really true.
Regardless, take N out of the equation, and look at just CC for a second. In the chart in the OP, CC rank 1 and 3 respectively in Big Law placement, with Penn being slightly ahead of Chicago (C=53.8%, P= 53.7%, C= 52.5%). 4th place is NU with 50.8%. I have heard it said on this site that NU's Big Law placement should be subject to greater scrutiny, as they likely receive a boost due to having perhaps the most employable/qualified student body (due to the work experience requirement). 5th and 6th place in the chart from the OP are H and S, and we can skip over them since we agree they are on the highest tier with Y. Seventh place is B with 47.2%, a not insignificant difference of 5.3% from Chicago and 6.6% from Columbia. On down the list from B, the gap obviously widens.
Take into account other benefits of CC compared to lesser ranked schools.
-Better placement with the top Vault firms (as mentioned previously in the thread)
-I have also heard it said on TLS CC have better placement in academia, and also place a greater proportion of students in “random” prestigious jobs in government/industry/PI etc.
In summation/TLDR: I feel like although the tiers might be off a little bit, the t14 outside of HYS are not interchangeable as some people have suggested. I don’t think quantifiable data or anecdotal evidence backs that up.
Forgetting about where you want to put NYU and P for a second, because they seem to complicate things, at the least we should be able to tier out the t14 a little bit, and it should look something like….
And not simply YHS>> the rest…
As to your first point, you have a shorter memory than some of us.
As to your second, I don't think your "widening gap" is nearly so significant as some people on these boards would suggest. A 5% gap between Northwestern and Duke could be accounted for by admitting a few more people with connections to secondaries, who would rather make $125k in a midsize city than take their V100 offer. I think that difference erodes somewhat at CCN's imagined improved placement power, because CCN students are very likely to take the "best" Vault firm they get. I know at NU that's often not what people do, and I would bet that it's often not what happens at other schools with more students who aren't aiming at NYC.
As to your third point about some vague ideas about prestigious PI placement, I don't know how those numbers really shake out, and neither do you, but for the data sets in question, gov't and pub interest hiring was so dramatically curtailed that it's probably irrelevant.