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ThreeRivers
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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby ThreeRivers » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:26 am

I know rankings don't mean shit, but what about for negation purposes?

Say I'm trying to use a nice scholarship offer from a school that everyone Is saying "lol at how high they're," to get a scholly offer from a school that everyone Is laughing at how low they're.

Will the rise in the one / drop in the other help my case?

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby mattviphky » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:28 am

drleather wrote:
jne381 wrote:I swear, every year one of the Big Ten schools that is not Mich or NU makes a jump into the top 25 then drops the next year.

It is like they all take a turn.

Wisconsin
Iowa
Illinois
Indiana
Minnesota gets its turn this year.

Next year will probably go to Ohio State.

Minnesota has been in the top 25 for the last 25 years, or thereabouts.


Yeah, that was a pretty dumb post. UIUC has been in the t25 for just as long...until yesterday.
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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby stillwater » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:28 am

ThreeRivers wrote:I know rankings don't mean shit, but what about for negation purposes?

Say I'm trying to use a nice scholarship offer from a school that everyone Is saying "lol at how high they're," to get a scholly offer from a school that everyone Is laughing at how low they're.

Will the rise in the one / drop in the other help my case?


For instance, I don't think Arizona State is gonna help you squeeze money out of BU.

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby ThreeRivers » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:31 am

stillwater wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:I know rankings don't mean shit, but what about for negation purposes?

Say I'm trying to use a nice scholarship offer from a school that everyone Is saying "lol at how high they're," to get a scholly offer from a school that everyone Is laughing at how low they're.

Will the rise in the one / drop in the other help my case?


For instance, I don't think Arizona State is gonna help you squeeze money out of BU.

Lol, what about Washington & lee for Bu? (im also saying umn, but was hoping w&l passing it up as well in rankings might help me out

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:32 am

stillwater wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:I know rankings don't mean shit, but what about for negation purposes?

Say I'm trying to use a nice scholarship offer from a school that everyone Is saying "lol at how high they're," to get a scholly offer from a school that everyone Is laughing at how low they're.

Will the rise in the one / drop in the other help my case?


For instance, I don't think Arizona State is gonna help you squeeze money out of BU.


I LOL'd at the prospect of someone actually trying to do that.

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:32 am

stillwater wrote:
sangr wrote:how does the future look for

1.GW

2. Cornell

GW has risen in ranks over the past ten years, cornell fell 1 or 2 spots


The apocalypse has struck. Cornell can never come back from this death knell. It will undoubtedly sink into obscurity, a la 'nova. Your best bet is to buy a rising stock, think IPO!, and that golden, flaming rocket, drunk on vainglory for the top spot, is Arizona State.


Golden, flaming rocket + ASU = see a doctor

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby TLS_noobie » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:32 am

ThreeRivers wrote:
stillwater wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:I know rankings don't mean shit, but what about for negation purposes?

Say I'm trying to use a nice scholarship offer from a school that everyone Is saying "lol at how high they're," to get a scholly offer from a school that everyone Is laughing at how low they're.

Will the rise in the one / drop in the other help my case?


For instance, I don't think Arizona State is gonna help you squeeze money out of BU.

Lol, what about Washington & lee for Bu? (im also saying umn, but was hoping w&l passing it up as well in rankings might help me out


lol Doubt it. But I am interested to hear what others have to say about this...

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby minnbills » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:33 am

ThreeRivers wrote:Lol, what about Washington & lee for Bu? (im also saying umn, but was hoping w&l passing it up as well in rankings might help me out


Well you should definitely try but I wouldn't count on it. Despite the new rankings BU is a much better school than W&L.

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby Cornellanister » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:34 am

OMG Cornell dropped to 14. I guess I will have to reconsider attending. :?

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby CanadianWolf » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:37 am

They'll understand.

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby Tom Joad » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:39 am

minnbills wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:Lol, what about Washington & lee for Bu? (im also saying umn, but was hoping w&l passing it up as well in rankings might help me out


Well you should definitely try but I wouldn't count on it. Despite the new rankings BU is a much better school than W&L.

[citation needed]

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby josh43299 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:40 am

minnbills wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:Lol, what about Washington & lee for Bu? (im also saying umn, but was hoping w&l passing it up as well in rankings might help me out


Well you should definitely try but I wouldn't count on it. Despite the new rankings BU is a much better school than W&L.


By next cycle it will be BosTTTTon U, as 0Ls flock to W&L based on the data from their choosing a law school polls.

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:41 am

srfngdd6 wrote:
Jaeger wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:Is it OK to reference Michigan's fall to 10 when I withdraw this week?



I hope you do.


Does anyone have access to the USNWR Law Firms Rank Schools section?



Law Firms Rank Schools
1. Harvard
2. Stanford
2. Yale
4. Columbia
4. Mich
6. NYU
6. UVA
8. Cornell
8. Duke
8. NW
8. Chicago
13. Gtown
13. Penn
15. Vandy
15. WUSTL
17. Texas
18. Bu
18. Emory
18. Wash and Lee
18. UCLA
18. UMN
18. ND
18. USC
25. BC
25. UNC
25. Iowa


Lost in all this mess is this... For most of our purposes, this is the only ranking that matters. Law firms are more likely to base their hiring decisions of their own opinions, not some stupid publication.

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby TTRansfer » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:41 am

Tom Joad wrote:
minnbills wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:Lol, what about Washington & lee for Bu? (im also saying umn, but was hoping w&l passing it up as well in rankings might help me out


Well you should definitely try but I wouldn't count on it. Despite the new rankings BU is a much better school than W&L.

[citation needed]


Jobz

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby Tom Joad » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:43 am

TTRansfer wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:
minnbills wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:Lol, what about Washington & lee for Bu? (im also saying umn, but was hoping w&l passing it up as well in rankings might help me out


Well you should definitely try but I wouldn't count on it. Despite the new rankings BU is a much better school than W&L.

[citation needed]


Jobz

U.S. News and World Reports is the foremost authority in determining law school excellence. I rest my argument on the shoulders of giants.

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby TTRansfer » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:48 am

Tom Joad wrote:U.S. News and World Reports is the foremost authority in determining law school excellence. I rest my argument on the shoulders of giants.


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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby TLS_noobie » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:48 am

ScrabbleChamp wrote:
srfngdd6 wrote:
Jaeger wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:Is it OK to reference Michigan's fall to 10 when I withdraw this week?



I hope you do.


Does anyone have access to the USNWR Law Firms Rank Schools section?



Law Firms Rank Schools
1. Harvard
2. Stanford
2. Yale
4. Columbia
4. Mich
6. NYU
6. UVA
8. Cornell
8. Duke
8. NW
8. Chicago
13. Gtown
13. Penn
15. Vandy
15. WUSTL
17. Texas
18. Bu
18. Emory
18. Wash and Lee
18. UCLA
18. UMN
18. ND
18. USC
25. BC
25. UNC
25. Iowa


Lost in all this mess is this... For most of our purposes, this is the only ranking that matters. Law firms are more likely to base their hiring decisions of their own opinions, not some stupid publication.


No Fordham? Is this surprising or no? I feel like the only thing Fordham has going for it is that it has infiltrated many top firms with partners in NYC over the years.

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby anstone1988 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:50 am

lessthanjake wrote:- I can't imagine Stanford got higher scores in the Peer Assessment and Lawyer/Judge Assessment than Harvard. Harvard is Harvard and as such usually ties with Yale for the highest scores in these, right?


Wrong. Harvard is #1 in Peer Assessment and Lawyer/Judge Assessment. Yale and Stanford are tied for second in both.

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby bk1 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:53 am

ScrabbleChamp wrote:Lost in all this mess is this... For most of our purposes, this is the only ranking that matters. Law firms are more likely to base their hiring decisions of their own opinions, not some stupid publication.


Not sure a survey of 90 hiring partners from disparate parts of the country (who likely just serve as an echoing chamber for USNWR rankings of schools that aren't in their area) is a useful ranking system.

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby jeeptiger09 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:57 am

srfngdd6 wrote:Law Firms Rank Schools
1. Harvard
2. Stanford
2. Yale
4. Columbia
4. Mich
6. NYU
6. UVA
8. Cornell
8. Duke
8. NW
8. Chicago
13. Gtown
13. Penn
15. Vandy
15. WUSTL
17. Texas
18. Bu
18. Emory
18. Wash and Lee
18. UCLA
18. UMN
18. ND
18. USC
25. BC
25. UNC
25. Iowa


Can you post the top 100 here? Just curious. Thanks.

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby justicefishy » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:58 am

bk1 wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:Lost in all this mess is this... For most of our purposes, this is the only ranking that matters. Law firms are more likely to base their hiring decisions of their own opinions, not some stupid publication.


Not sure a survey of 90 hiring partners from disparate parts of the country (who likely just serve as an echoing chamber for USNWR rankings of schools that aren't in their area) is a useful ranking system.


And these numbers tend not to fit in with the NLJ 250 hiring numbers, like how Penn and G-Town are ranked at 13 together while Penn had almost twice the percentage of its class entering NLJ 250 firms that Georgetown does (though that might be in part self selection but...)

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby tennisking88 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:58 am

srfngdd6 wrote:
Jaeger wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:Is it OK to reference Michigan's fall to 10 when I withdraw this week?



I hope you do.


Does anyone have access to the USNWR Law Firms Rank Schools section?



Law Firms Rank Schools
1. Harvard
2. Stanford
2. Yale
4. Columbia
4. Mich
6. NYU
6. UVA
8. Cornell
8. Duke
8. NW
8. Chicago
13. Gtown
13. Penn
15. Vandy
15. WUSTL
17. Texas
18. Bu
18. Emory
18. Wash and Lee
18. UCLA
18. UMN
18. ND
18. USC
25. BC
25. UNC
25. Iowa


LOL where is Boalt??

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby srfngdd6 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:01 am

tennisking88 wrote:
srfngdd6 wrote:
Jaeger wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:Is it OK to reference Michigan's fall to 10 when I withdraw this week?



I hope you do.


Does anyone have access to the USNWR Law Firms Rank Schools section?



Law Firms Rank Schools
1. Harvard
2. Stanford
2. Yale
4. Columbia
4. Mich
6. NYU
6. UVA
8. Cornell
8. Duke
8. NW
8. Chicago
13. Gtown
13. Penn
15. Vandy
15. WUSTL
17. Texas
18. Bu
18. Emory
18. Wash and Lee
18. UCLA
18. UMN
18. ND
18. USC
25. BC
25. UNC
25. Iowa


LOL where is Boalt??



whoooooooooooooooooops Berk is also 8

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby bigeast03 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:02 am

Did anybody else get this e-mail just a minute ago:

"TU Law Breaks Into Top 100 in U.S. News & World Report 2013 Best Law School Rankings

Among the smallest law schools in the nation, TU Law advances 48 places in three years



TULSA, OK – For the first time in its history, The University of Tulsa College of Law has been named in the top 100 law schools in the nation by U.S. News and World Report 2013 Best Graduate Schools rankings. As one of the smallest law schools in the country, TU Law has advanced 48 places in the last three years in the rankings, which are based on several factors including an overall quality assessment, reputation, selectivity of student applications, job placement success and faculty resources.

In each category, TU Law has earned significant gains in recent years through focused efforts to attract qualified applicants, refining curriculum to prepare students to practice immediately upon graduation, and provide meaningful professional experiences to students during their legal education. Of the 195 accredited law schools assessed, TU Law was named 99th on the list."

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Re: 2013 Rankings

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:03 am

bk1 wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:Lost in all this mess is this... For most of our purposes, this is the only ranking that matters. Law firms are more likely to base their hiring decisions of their own opinions, not some stupid publication.


Not sure a survey of 90 hiring partners from disparate parts of the country (who likely just serve as an echoing chamber for USNWR rankings of schools that aren't in their area) is a useful ranking system.


More useful than USNWR, I'd guess.




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