MV and P Forum

[admisionquestion]

It looks like according to employment data P outperforms the rest of the t7-14.

What are peoples thoughts on this? Is this accurate? The more info people could provide the better.

[descartesb4thehorse]

Admission has two "s"s.

Some of the answer has to do with self-selection into PI for Mich and government for UVA. Peer schools are basically peer.

[admisionquestion]

Why would more M or V students self select into PI than P?

[smokeylarue]

It does seem like Penn outperforms its ranking. Really closer to CCN range than MV in my uneducated opinion. Definitely has certain higher lay prestige, I don't know if or if not that factors in the reasoning for its superior employment numbers.

[keg411]

It does seem like Penn outperforms its ranking. Really closer to CCN range than MV in my uneducated opinion. Definitely has certain higher lay prestige, I don't know if or if not that factors in the reasoning for its superior employment numbers.

1. Recession hurt BigLaw hiring significantly more in markets other than NYC.
2. P generally attracts more people that want to work in NYC BigLaw then MV.
3. P outperformed MV.

Has nothing to do with "lay prestige" and everything to do with NYC BigLaw. Additionally, M attracts a fuckload of PI people and I assume V attracts gov't people and both of those sectors got slaughtered ITE, whereas Penn is more business + BigLaw focused.

[dissonance1848]

Penn also has a smaller class than either Michigan or Virginia ( I think Penn is around 250-280?), while Michigan and Virginia each have around (350-380?) students. Having nearly 100 fewer students is definitely going to improve a school's employment data at the margins.

[ahnhub]

Actually it's not just Penn's stats. Schools which feed into big markets (esp. NYC) and which aren't PI-focused have always generally had more impressive employment stats (Penn, Cornell, NU), although Penn probably has had the most shiny of that group.

[skers]

Peer schools are peer. Penn might give a slight advantage in NYC big law or preftigious firm placement, but it's hard to account for self-selection. I don't think the opportunities for a top 10 student at MVP will be all that different, nor will be the opportunites differ that much for a median student and so on.

[barneytrouble]

Peer schools are peer. Penn might give a slight advantage in NYC big law or preftigious firm placement, but it's hard to account for self-selection. I don't think the opportunities for a top 10 student at MVP will be all that different, nor will be the opportunites differ that much for a median student and so on.

shhh dont let the penn students hear you