TUP wrote: Where is the data for lower T14 SAs other than M? Not doubting your claims, just wondering because the gap hasn't been that significant for the last half decade.
It's gonna be hard to get definitive answers. Believe me, I'm facing an NYU/Mich choice with job prospects as my top priority, and I'm having trouble figuring things out. But it seems pretty safe to say that of c/o of 2012 Chicago had 77% doing summer SAs, NYU had 70%, and Michigan had 55%. So does this mean CCN blows MVPCDNG out of the water? Well...
-General consensus on NU and Penn OCI threads seemed to be things went significantly better this year. Median gave you a good shot at getting Biglaw.
-Someone leaked that Duke put 65%+ of its class into SA positions at 2009 OCI, i.e.: the Really Horrible Year. That would be comparable to Columbia and NYU for that year. And yet Duke only had 38% of grads get NLJ 250 in 2010, which was way worse than any of its T-14 peers.
-Consider that for the classes of 2007-2008, the truly boom years when it was very easy to get Biglaw at any T-14 school, Michigan only put 50-55% of its class into NLJ 250. Historically big city schools with a private sector focus have always had better stats when it comes to metrics like NLJ 250 or NLJ 250+clerkships: Penn, Cornell, NYU and Columbia, NU, Chicago. And yet most people on TLS would advise someone to pick Michigan over Cornell. Heck, I've seen polls where Michigan$$ won convincingly over Chicago sticker.
-Because NY and V-10 type firms started hiring again so quickly while other markets stayed dead, NYC-centered schools probably fared better the last couple of years at OCI. As the market thaws that gap may close a bit.
So yeah, it's complicated. I think CCN probably does have a placement advantage that you have to take into consideration, but I don't think it's as massive as the numbers may indicate.
I also think T-14 schools should start posting recent summer job data like Chicago, Michigan and NYU have, instead of letting us rely on two-year old employment data.