IAFG wrote:5ky wrote:Didn't mean it as any sort of definitive proof. Just that without evidence to the contrary, as a 0L I would take the bare facts available to me that NYC V10 offers so many people from CLS/NYU that I'd be competitive down to median, and that there's no available evidence to me that UChicago people ending up in V10 (8 students accepting offers at Cravath, Skadden, DPW, STB, /Cov NY/) are necessarily down to median.
I argued strenuously in that other thread that SLS and UChi should be judged on the same scale because of the high level of self-selection out of NY. But I can't see the numbers on how many NYC V10 offers were made to UChicago students, and it would have to suspend a bit of disbelief to think that the entire top 1/3 self-selected away from NYC V10.
So I'm willing to be persuaded, but looking objectively at the facts on hand, I can't come to a different conclusion.
Respectfully, our argument seems to have a lot of holes in it. I'm confused about your confusion.
This is my basic argument:
Say I'm a 0L. I had a horrible childhood, and thus all I want in the whole wide world is to cash in my preftige points and work at a V10 in NYC after graduation. I want to go to the school that maximizes this chance. I look at the information in the 2012 summer thread. I see that CLS put 20% of students in NYC V10s, with three firms not yet reported. I think to myself, this is quite good -- I know for a fact I don't have to finish in the top 20% to be competitive. Top third to have an excellent chance, from the numbers. I will not have locked myself out at median, in all likelihood.
I look at the thread and the numbers for Chicago. They have placed around 5% of students in NYC V10s, with 5 firms not yet reported (S&C and Cleary have numbers for CLS, but not Chicago -- so this is still imperfect, but that's part of it). I understand that many Chicago students self-select out of NYC, and while I do not understand it because the only thing that will make me happy is NYC V10, I take that into consideration. But I don't know how many students self-selected out, so extrapolating out where in the class I can finish and still be competitive for NYC V10 is much more difficult with the increase in unknown variables. On the one hand is the presumption that perhaps V10 firms want a diverse class, and thus will take any Chicago students they can get. On the other hand, I am going to school outside of NYC, and that might put me at a slight disadvantage relative to students from CLS/NYU.
I do not know how to weigh these different factors. There is no way for me to make an objective conclusion that Chicago is a better choice to fulfill my life's dream because I do not have enough information to make this choice. I choose CLS.