Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

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Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby legalmaestro » Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:57 pm

Down to my top 2 choices....

Barry in Orlando with 15,000 in scholarship

Or

UMiami at sticker?

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby MrAnon » Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:58 pm

Don't go to Barry ever.

If your parents have money go to Miami, I guess.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby legalmaestro » Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:38 pm

parents not involved in this...its my $$

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby noleknight16 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:59 pm

I went to UCF for undergrad. Barry Law is in the s*** part of town on Colonial. THROW THE BARRY ACCEPTANCE IN THE TRASH

Just go to Miami if those are the only 2 options. Neither are great, but don't consider Barry at even a full ride.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby Mr. Pancakes » Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:05 am

legalmaestro wrote:Down to my top 2 choices....

Barry in Orlando with 15,000 in scholarship

Or

UMiami at sticker?

did this really happen or are you making this up?
If you had the numbers to get into miami you should have gotten more than this amount of scholarship money at barry.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby bk1 » Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:08 am

None of the above.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby Its Always Sunny » Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:46 am

legalmaestro wrote:Down to my top 2 choices....

Barry in Orlando with 15,000 in scholarship

Or

UMiami at sticker?


First this a HYPOTHETICAL situation and you should state that. I don't think you will be accepted into Miami with a 153 3.3. Also even though you have 2 years experience in music industry I do not think a JD/MM from Miami= lawyer for some large record company. Finally unless your rich don't go to your current selections of law schools.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby romothesavior » Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:03 am

Both are absolutely atrocious options. If it is your money, be smart with it. Avoid both. Miami might be okay with a full ride, the options you have now are awful. Florida is maybe the worst legal market in the country when you consider graduates compared to jobs, particularly good jobs. If you are going to stay in Florida, you need to go to UF or FSU, preferably with a scholarship, or Miami with a full ride. Forget the rest.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby 071816 » Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:05 am

Retake for Nova Southeastern

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby Mr. Pancakes » Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:14 pm

Its Always Sunny wrote:
legalmaestro wrote:Down to my top 2 choices....

Barry in Orlando with 15,000 in scholarship

Or

UMiami at sticker?


First this a HYPOTHETICAL situation and you should state that. I don't think you will be accepted into Miami with a 153 3.3. Also even though you have 2 years experience in music industry I do not think a JD/MM from Miami= lawyer for some large record company. Finally unless your rich don't go to your current selections of law schools.

You aren't getting into miami with a 153.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby taxguy » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:37 am

I love when people talk about things they know nothing about. Miami is a very good law school and is VERY well known in the South Florida Market. If you want to work there, you have as good a chance as any gettng a job there coming out of Miami. Every major law firm in South Florida has some partners who attended Miami law school. In fact, I believe that the former past president of the American Bar Association, Carolyn Lamb, was a Miami graduate.

However, with the above said, the job market for anyone who doesn't attend a top 10 or so law school is horrible unless you do extraordinarily well at the lower tier school ( top 5% or so). Even then, the job situation is tenuous. Whatever you choose, keep this in mind.

Also,, you won't get into Miami with a 153 LSAT. Normally you need at least a 156-157.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby srfngdd6 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:43 am

noleknight16 wrote:I went to UCF for undergrad. Barry Law is in the s*** part of town on Colonial. THROW THE BARRY ACCEPTANCE IN THE TRASH

Just go to Miami if those are the only 2 options. Neither are great, but don't consider Barry at even a full ride.


+1...also wento to UCF and actually had to do some work at Barry's library its in such a crap area and the school is gross would not recomend going even if they paid you although i would not go to miami at sticker either

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby mattviphky » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:56 am

taxguy wrote:I love when people talk about things they know nothing about. Miami is a very good law school and is VERY well known in the South Florida Market. If you want to work there, you have as good a chance as any gettng a job there coming out of Miami. Every major law firm in South Florida has some partners who attended Miami law school. In fact, I believe that the former past president of the American Bar Association, Carolyn Lamb, was a Miami graduate.

However, with the above said, the job market for anyone who doesn't attend a top 10 or so law school is horrible unless you do extraordinarily well at the lower tier school ( top 5% or so). Even then, the job situation is tenuous. Whatever you choose, keep this in mind.

Also,, you won't get into Miami with a 153 LSAT. Normally you need at least a 156-157.


Oh, they all have partners from UM? So what was true of the legal market 10+ years ago is true today? But really, I do agree with the sentiment that people on TLS are overly critical about things of which they know very little. But I think the correct response to the OP is to retake the LSAT. I think UM can be a fine option, but then again, I don't know anything about Miami, either. But I do know that attending any school at sticker, when all you have to do is improve a 153, is a terrible way to go. If you retake hard and get into a top school by barely making the median lsat...go. But I don't think this is the case here.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby romothesavior » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:11 am

taxguy wrote:If you want to work there, you have as good a chance as any gettng a job there coming out of Miami. Every major law firm in South Florida has some partners who attended Miami law school.

And every casino in America has some patrons who win big. Doesn't make it a good idea to drop six figures on the chance of winning. The economy has changed dramatically, and the legal market in Florida is just awful. It's not what it was 5, 10, 20 years ago. The degree is more expensive than ever, and the jobs (particularly the decent paying ones) are more scarce than ever.

Miami is an alright school, no one here was trying to knock it or say it wasn't. It's just not worth sticker. With a big scholarship, maybe its worth it. But I can't believe you are so naive as to recommend OP drop six figs on that degree. Get your head out of the sand. I can't believe you really believe the stuff you write sometimes.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby taxguy » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:54 pm

romothesavior wrote:
taxguy wrote:If you want to work there, you have as good a chance as any gettng a job there coming out of Miami. Every major law firm in South Florida has some partners who attended Miami law school.

And every casino in America has some patrons who win big. Doesn't make it a good idea to drop six figures on the chance of winning. The economy has changed dramatically, and the legal market in Florida is just awful. It's not what it was 5, 10, 20 years ago. The degree is more expensive than ever, and the jobs (particularly the decent paying ones) are more scarce than ever.

Miami is an alright school, no one here was trying to knock it or say it wasn't. It's just not worth sticker. With a big scholarship, maybe its worth it. But I can't believe you are so naive as to recommend OP drop six figs on that degree. Get your head out of the sand. I can't believe you really believe the stuff you write sometimes.



Romothesavior, it is interesting that you quoted one paragraph of my post but left out the other paragraph. Here is what you left out in your discussion:

"However, with the above said, the job market for anyone who doesn't attend a top 10 or so law school is horrible unless you do extraordinarily well at the lower tier school ( top 5% or so). Even then, the job situation is tenuous. Whatever you choose, keep this in mind."

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby Grizz » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:57 pm

Don't go to either unless you'd like to enjoy debt peonage.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby romothesavior » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:59 pm

I left it out because your post was internally inconsistent. On one hand you're telling OP that UM is great and encouraging him to go, and then you turn around and tell him 90% of students are fucked. Make up your mind.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby taxguy » Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:21 pm

romothesavior wrote:I left it out because your post was internally inconsistent. On one hand you're telling OP that UM is great and encouraging him to go, and then you turn around and tell him 90% of students are fucked. Make up your mind.



Yup, there is a difference between the quality of law schools and placement. Miami is a very decent school. Job placement in today's environment from almost any law school is horrendous, which is why there is a percieved inconsistancy. Folks can get jobs from Miami especially in the South Florida area. However, the further away they are from being in the top 10%, the harder it is going to be to get a job. Again, I would say the same about any Florida law school and about 95% of the law schools in the US.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby Grizz » Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:28 pm

Who gives a crap about "quality of education," most of the stuff in lawl school is at most tangentially relevant to practice anyway.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby romothesavior » Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:31 pm

taxguy wrote:
romothesavior wrote:I left it out because your post was internally inconsistent. On one hand you're telling OP that UM is great and encouraging him to go, and then you turn around and tell him 90% of students are fucked. Make up your mind.



Yup, there is a difference between the quality of law schools and placement. Miami is a very decent school. Job placement in today's environment from almost any law school is horrendous, which is why there is a percieved inconsistancy. Folks can get jobs from Miami especially in the South Florida area. However, the further away they are from being in the top 10%, the harder it is going to be to get a job. Again, I would say the same about any Florida law school and about 95% of the law schools in the US.

Look, I don't give a shit how "decent" a school is if they can't place me into a job.

If you admit that the overwhelming number of students at any given school are not going to find decent jobs that allow them to recoup the costs of their investment, then it is stupid for you to come on TLS and pump up schools and basically encourage people to go there, which would essentially ruin their future. No one denies that some people from UM end up alright, and some probably do great in their careers. But it's all about odds. Going to Miami at sticker for a 10% chance at a job that makes that debt manageable is just stupid. Period.

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Re: Barry with $$ or Miami at sticker

Postby Easy-E » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:18 am

noleknight16 wrote:I went to UCF for undergrad. Barry Law is in the s*** part of town on Colonial. THROW THE BARRY ACCEPTANCE IN THE TRASH

Just go to Miami if those are the only 2 options. Neither are great, but don't consider Barry at even a full ride.


I'll +1 this as a fellow Knight. Not only is Barry an abyss in terms of job prospects, it's in a shitty area. I wouldn't go to Barry under any circumstance.




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