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Re: 2013 US News & World Report Law School Rankings
Bear in mind there is no "t25." It doesn't really matter whether, for instance, UIUC or UC Davis are ranked ahead of or behind one another in any given year because they are peer schools which place in different regions. There are a whole bunch of schools starting at probably WUSTL and ending somewhere in the Hastings/Florida range that are about as good as one another. Yearly fluctuations in rankings do not, repeat, do not matter.
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I've seen a couple job postings that, for whatever reason, state they want applicants from "top 25 schools."SBL wrote:Bear in mind there is no "t25." It doesn't really matter whether, for instance, UIUC or UC Davis are ranked ahead of or behind one another in any given year because they are peer schools which place in different regions. There are a whole bunch of schools starting at probably WUSTL and ending somewhere in the Hastings/Florida range that are about as good as one another. Yearly fluctuations in rankings do not, repeat, do not matter.
I'm not even sure what they meant by that (as in, US News top 25 in the last year alone, the last 5 years, or what?).
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It means those employers don't know very much about law school rankings. The longer you go in law school, the more you'll come to realize that such things in job postings can and should be ignored (like those grade cutoffs listed by firms in their OCI profiles).splitbrain wrote:I've seen a couple job postings that, for whatever reason, state they want applicants from "top 25 schools."SBL wrote:Bear in mind there is no "t25." It doesn't really matter whether, for instance, UIUC or UC Davis are ranked ahead of or behind one another in any given year because they are peer schools which place in different regions. There are a whole bunch of schools starting at probably WUSTL and ending somewhere in the Hastings/Florida range that are about as good as one another. Yearly fluctuations in rankings do not, repeat, do not matter.
I'm not even sure what they meant by that (as in, US News top 25 in the last year alone, the last 5 years, or what?).
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Re: 2013 US News & World Report Law School Rankings
+1SBL wrote:Bear in mind there is no "t25." It doesn't really matter whether, for instance, UIUC or UC Davis are ranked ahead of or behind one another in any given year because they are peer schools which place in different regions. There are a whole bunch of schools starting at probably WUSTL and ending somewhere in the Hastings/Florida range that are about as good as one another. Yearly fluctuations in rankings do not, repeat, do not matter.
UC davis is also a prime example of why rankings are retarded. They went from #44 in 2008 to #23 or "t25" last year. Does anyone really think there was some significant change at Davis between 2008 and 2011?
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splitbrain wrote:I've seen a couple job postings that, for whatever reason, state they want applicants from "top 25 schools."SBL wrote:Bear in mind there is no "t25." It doesn't really matter whether, for instance, UIUC or UC Davis are ranked ahead of or behind one another in any given year because they are peer schools which place in different regions. There are a whole bunch of schools starting at probably WUSTL and ending somewhere in the Hastings/Florida range that are about as good as one another. Yearly fluctuations in rankings do not, repeat, do not matter.
I'm not even sure what they meant by that (as in, US News top 25 in the last year alone, the last 5 years, or what?).
Probably referring to Football or Basketball top 25 polls.
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Re: 2013 US News & World Report Law School Rankings
I started going to school there during that time, so it's probably just reflective of that. Expect the ranking to regress to the mean a bit once I leave. #swagErrzii wrote:+1SBL wrote:Bear in mind there is no "t25." It doesn't really matter whether, for instance, UIUC or UC Davis are ranked ahead of or behind one another in any given year because they are peer schools which place in different regions. There are a whole bunch of schools starting at probably WUSTL and ending somewhere in the Hastings/Florida range that are about as good as one another. Yearly fluctuations in rankings do not, repeat, do not matter.
UC davis is also a prime example of why rankings are retarded. They went from #44 in 2008 to #23 or "t25" last year. Does anyone really think there was some significant change at Davis between 2008 and 2011?
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--ImageRemoved--SBL wrote:I started going to school there during that time, so it's probably just reflective of that. Expect the ranking to regress to the mean a bit once I leave. #swagErrzii wrote:+1SBL wrote:Bear in mind there is no "t25." It doesn't really matter whether, for instance, UIUC or UC Davis are ranked ahead of or behind one another in any given year because they are peer schools which place in different regions. There are a whole bunch of schools starting at probably WUSTL and ending somewhere in the Hastings/Florida range that are about as good as one another. Yearly fluctuations in rankings do not, repeat, do not matter.
UC davis is also a prime example of why rankings are retarded. They went from #44 in 2008 to #23 or "t25" last year. Does anyone really think there was some significant change at Davis between 2008 and 2011?
Hey, any idea what's up with the difference in employment at-graduation at Davis vs Hastings per US News?
95.8% at Davis vs 48.6% Hastings
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No idea, but it probably just means that Hastings had a bad year and Davis gave the numbers a bit of a handjob before submitting them to USNews. I don't care what the rankings say, UCD and UCH are of identical quality. I troll for Davis sometimes, but really employers use the same GPA cutoffs for each so it's completely unimportant which one a prospective law student chooses.
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That's a typo right? If not holyshitwtf @ Hastings.splitbrain wrote:--ImageRemoved--SBL wrote:I started going to school there during that time, so it's probably just reflective of that. Expect the ranking to regress to the mean a bit once I leave. #swagErrzii wrote:+1SBL wrote:Bear in mind there is no "t25." It doesn't really matter whether, for instance, UIUC or UC Davis are ranked ahead of or behind one another in any given year because they are peer schools which place in different regions. There are a whole bunch of schools starting at probably WUSTL and ending somewhere in the Hastings/Florida range that are about as good as one another. Yearly fluctuations in rankings do not, repeat, do not matter.
UC davis is also a prime example of why rankings are retarded. They went from #44 in 2008 to #23 or "t25" last year. Does anyone really think there was some significant change at Davis between 2008 and 2011?
Hey, any idea what's up with the difference in employment at-graduation at Davis vs Hastings per US News?
95.8% at Davis vs 48.6% Hastings
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Re: 2013 US News & World Report Law School Rankings
Yep, typo. UC hastings was 84.6% employed.That's a typo right? If not holyshitwtf @ Hastings.
Employed at 9 months doesnt matter tho. A better indicator are the figures for Full-time Bar required jobs after 9 months.
UCD: 69%
UCH: 62%
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Re: 2013 US News & World Report Law School Rankings
Just a heads up, the new US News rankings will be published March 13th
http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/c ... h-march-13
http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/c ... h-march-13
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Thanks - was super confused about that.splittinghairs wrote:Yep, typo. UC hastings was 84.6% employed.That's a typo right? If not holyshitwtf @ Hastings.
Employed at 9 months doesnt matter tho. A better indicator are the figures for Full-time Bar required jobs after 9 months.
UCD: 69%
UCH: 62%
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Re: 2013 US News & World Report Law School Rankings
I'm confused, they calculate the 2012 rankings via the class of class of 2014 medians (those that applied in 2011)? I think I remember seeing a thread with most if not all of those stats. I know there are other factors but barring a change in median gpa/lsat it would be hard for any school to move up or downKevinP wrote:Just a heads up, the new US News rankings will be published March 13th
http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/c ... h-march-13
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Er, there's more to the rankings than just median gpa and lsat.TheRedMamba wrote:I'm confused, they calculate the 2012 rankings via the class of class of 2014 medians (those that applied in 2011)? I think I remember seeing a thread with most if not all of those stats. I know there are other factors but barring a change in median gpa/lsat it would be hard for any school to move up or downKevinP wrote:Just a heads up, the new US News rankings will be published March 13th
http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/c ... h-march-13
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As I said in my post, I realize that. However, they are major components in the formula and inherently linked to other key components such as selectivity and acceptance rate. While the quality assessment is the most heavily weighted factor in the rankings methodology, its hard to imagine a school's score, especially a school that has acquired t-14 prestige, fluctuating much year to year in this category.Bronck wrote:Er, there's more to the rankings than just median gpa and lsat.TheRedMamba wrote:I'm confused, they calculate the 2012 rankings via the class of class of 2014 medians (those that applied in 2011)? I think I remember seeing a thread with most if not all of those stats. I know there are other factors but barring a change in median gpa/lsat it would be hard for any school to move up or downKevinP wrote:Just a heads up, the new US News rankings will be published March 13th
http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/c ... h-march-13
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Yea, they use the class of 2014 medians. (Which is why I'm waiting to see if NYU's median did in fact drop to 171)TheRedMamba wrote:I'm confused, they calculate the 2012 rankings via the class of class of 2014 medians (those that applied in 2011)? I think I remember seeing a thread with most if not all of those stats. I know there are other factors but barring a change in median gpa/lsat it would be hard for any school to move up or downKevinP wrote:Just a heads up, the new US News rankings will be published March 13th
http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/c ... h-march-13
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Re: 2013 US News & World Report Law School Rankings
Would that cause it to drop below Penn or UVA?
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NYU? Highly doubtful since they're three points above rank 7 schools (89 v 86).smokeylarue wrote:Would that cause it to drop below Penn or UVA?
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BLATANT USC hatingbarneytrouble wrote:It should probably be HYS/T14/UCLA Vandy UT BC BU/Doesn't matter.
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splittinghairs wrote:Yep, typo. UC hastings was 84.6% employed.
Employed at 9 months doesnt matter tho. A better indicator are the figures for Full-time Bar required jobs after 9 months.
UCD: 69%
UCH: 62%
I tried doing a quick search, but I could not find the data for the aforementioned percentages/percentages of Full-time bar required jobs after 9 months. Can someone link me to it?
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All i have to say is that Chicago will finally overtake CLS, mirite?
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Out of 47 posts, only one person actually answered the question. If this is any indication of the ability to answer a question with a valid response, my confidence for the upcoming year has skyrocketed.
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We get distracted by shiny things; don't hate.SarahT wrote:Out of 47 posts, only one person actually answered the question. If this is any indication of the ability to answer a question with a valid response, my confidence for the upcoming year has skyrocketed.
--LinkRemoved--Geetar Man wrote:splittinghairs wrote:Yep, typo. UC hastings was 84.6% employed.
Employed at 9 months doesnt matter tho. A better indicator are the figures for Full-time Bar required jobs after 9 months.
UCD: 69%
UCH: 62%
I tried doing a quick search, but I could not find the data for the aforementioned percentages/percentages of Full-time bar required jobs after 9 months. Can someone link me to it?
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/prospective/ ... stics.html
But they aren't specifically reported on these pages.
Hastings full time bar-required employment: 220 out of 421 graduates = 52.2% (60% of graduates had full-time employment at all)
Davis full time bar-required employment: Did not report sufficient information (sup with that).
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I just stabbed myself in the hand with a screwdriver....Karma sucks.splitbrain wrote:We get distracted by shiny things; don't hate.SarahT wrote:Out of 47 posts, only one person actually answered the question. If this is any indication of the ability to answer a question with a valid response, my confidence for the upcoming year has skyrocketed
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