Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

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Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby likemike » Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:24 pm

I am from Los Angeles and would ultimately like to wind up back here. What schools outside of California would best enable this, especially in terms of OCI? I know NYU used to have a high rate of CA firms represented.

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby Perdevise » Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:59 pm

Y/H is the closest thing to a sure bet. NYU's literature shows 10% of graduates in the most recent year went west. I think large firms like having a diversity of students from top schools, but I think it would be limited to the t-6.

I remember hearing some anecdotal stuff here on TLS that Michigan sends some people west as well. Correct me if wrong.

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby duckmoney » Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:11 pm

Generally any "national" school will get you back to California if you have ties. This generally means any T14 school, plus maaaybe Vandy or Texas. The more prestigious the school, the better your chances and the deeper into the class firms will dig. Median at Chicago will open up many more opportunities than median at GULC.

That said, California firms will probably give preference to their own schools within peer groups. Berkeley will edge out Michigan or UVA, but will not carry as much weight as Harvard + ties.

For California, assuming you have ties, I would say YS > H > CC > B > rest of T10 or so > UCLA / USC / rest of T14 > fullride at other Cali school > killself.

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby beta » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:58 pm

Vandy just sent out an e-mail with a link to detailed employment info: http://law.vanderbilt.edu/prospective-s ... index.aspx

They place decently in CA. Looks like they have 10-12 grads securing employment there each year out of a class of about 190.

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby shoeshine » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:00 pm

T-6, That is all.

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby chasgoose » Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:48 pm

Y>H>>CLS>NYU>Chicago>>PMV>>NGC

CLS sends more than NYU, but it's not for lack of recruiters at NYU, Chicago doesn't have as much of a CA network because it's smaller and an even smaller percentage choose CA than CLS/NYU. The rest should be obvious.

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby booboo » Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:54 pm

chasgoose wrote:Y>H>>CLS>NYU>Chicago>>PMV>>NGC

CLS sends more than NYU, but it's not for lack of recruiters at NYU, Chicago doesn't have as much of a CA network because it's smaller and an even smaller percentage choose CA than CLS/NYU. The rest should be obvious.


I don't know how CLS and NYU compare... but:

http://www.law.columbia.edu/careers/car ... s/admitted

versus

http://www.law.nyu.edu/careerservices/e ... /index.htm

NYU has a large population of students from California, from my experience. Though most don't attempt to go back, NYU does not do horribly in helping those that do want to.

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby The Brainalist » Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:08 am

http://www.leiterrankings.com/jobs/2003 ... onal.shtml (done when Leiter was a prof at Texas, btw, not Chicago)

It's old, but at least it would give an idea of alumni networks. The "national" thing is really kind of useless because it will always disfavor the NY schools, whose graduate will work in NY the vast majority of the time, versus schools with more insular home markets, like Yale, Harvard, Chicago, and Michigan, whose graduates will also work in NY in droves. The more interesting stuff is just the numbers of grads who go to elite firms in specific cities.

Also: http://californiabar.globl.org/report.p ... &li=50&g=2
I don't know how old that is, but it is kind of neat to see overall bar admission by school.

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby TUP » Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:27 am

Went through this a lot last cycle. Seemed like YH > CC > rest of T13. You'll hear different opinions, of course, often depending on which school the poster attends.

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby NoleinNY » Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:43 am

Harvard.

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby snailio » Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:00 am

I think Harvard actually does the best, surprisingly Georgetown and Michigan do well as does Columbia, NYU. Naturally Yale would as well, but they seem to self select out.

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby mattviphky » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:29 am

notre dame sent nearly as many grads to cali as it did to illinois

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby bdubs » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:01 am

likemike wrote:170/4.03


You might have the numbers to get into Stanford, but Berkeley with $$ or Chicago would probably also be good. If you got into Harvard that would be excellent too, but 170s are a rarity there.

Stanford is obviously the top choice for CA placement.

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby likemike » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:14 am

Hope you are right about SLS but am not counting on it and thus am preparing to have to leave state.

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby slsplease » Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:49 am

I'm glad this thread is up as it's something I've been trying to determine too.

The thing about employment stats is that most good schools barring Stanford/Boalt are in the midwest/east coast so I'd imagine there is a lot of pressure to shoot regional. It'd be nice to know of how many T14 students that tried for cali BigLaw failed.

That said, is it really T6 or bust? Is MVP really not good enough?

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby bdubs » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:46 pm

slsplease wrote:I'm glad this thread is up as it's something I've been trying to determine too.

The thing about employment stats is that most good schools barring Stanford/Boalt are in the midwest/east coast so I'd imagine there is a lot of pressure to shoot regional. It'd be nice to know of how many T14 students that tried for cali BigLaw failed.

That said, is it really T6 or bust? Is MVP really not good enough?


If you look at the results, a good number of schools in the T14 seem to do fairly well placing into CA. This is probably due to the fact that CA/West is one of the nation's largest states, but has fewer top law schools per capita than the Midwest or East Coast. If you're from California, you will probably have a shot at firms there from pretty much any T14 with the right grades.

CA employment:
Columbia- 1% (By far the worst, but self selection is probably at work) ("West/Rocky Mountain")
Chicago - 8%
NYU - 9%
Penn - 9%
Michigan - 8%
Virginia - 6%
Duke - 10%
Northwestern - 13% ("West")

This basically shows that you should choose a T14 based on the traditional factors that most consider, reputation, job prospects, QOL, etc...
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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby The Brainalist » Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:54 am

bdubs wrote:
CA employment:
Columbia- 1% (By far the worst, but self selection is probably at work)
Chicago - 8%
NYU - 9%
Penn - 9%
Michigan - 8%
Virginia - 6%
Duke - 10%
Northwestern - 13% ("West")

This basically shows that you should choose a T14 based on the traditional factors that most consider, reputation, job prospects, QOL, etc...


That has to be some kind of mistake...
How does NYU have 12 times as many people self-selecting in pacific/west than NYU ( http://www.law.nyu.edu/about/ataglance/index.htm - counting pacific/west together)? Chicago's shows that in other years they had as high as 22% in pacific/west, though 2010 was down to 13%. One percent is crazy low.

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby bdubs » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:35 pm

The Brainalist wrote:
bdubs wrote:
CA employment:
Columbia- 1% (By far the worst, but self selection is probably at work)
Chicago - 8%
NYU - 9%
Penn - 9%
Michigan - 8%
Virginia - 6%
Duke - 10%
Northwestern - 13% ("West")

This basically shows that you should choose a T14 based on the traditional factors that most consider, reputation, job prospects, QOL, etc...


That has to be some kind of mistake...
How does NYU have 12 times as many people self-selecting in pacific/west than NYU ( http://www.law.nyu.edu/about/ataglance/index.htm - counting pacific/west together)? Chicago's shows that in other years they had as high as 22% in pacific/west, though 2010 was down to 13%. One percent is crazy low.


NYU's is specific to CA, in the "Pacific" they had 10.6% placement. Columbia is for the "West/Rocky Mountain" region.
http://www.law.columbia.edu/careers/car ... s/admitted
http://www.law.nyu.edu/careerservices/e ... /index.htm

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Re: Non-CA Schools That Are Good for CA Jobs

Postby The Brainalist » Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:07 pm

bdubs wrote:
NYU's is specific to CA, in the "Pacific" they had 10.6% placement. Columbia is for the "West/Rocky Mountain" region.
http://www.law.columbia.edu/careers/car ... s/admitted
http://www.law.nyu.edu/careerservices/e ... /index.htm


Right, but comparing apples to apples, it would look like this:

Columbia 1% (west/rocky mountain)
NYU 11.6 % (mountain + pacific)
Chicago 12.6% (mountain + pacific) http://www.law.uchicago.edu/prospective/employmentdata

That's 4 people from Columbia going to the entire west coast, but 45 from NYU and 25 from Chicago. Is Columbia not admitting people from the left side of the map anymore?




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